stone from Slovakia

river Kamenica CZ

Hi Peterbrod

Your stone have a very nice patina....the crystalpart together with the shape of the stone, gives me a carterpillar impression, I think it is a strong stone. daiza as usual topclass.

Kind regards Yvonne

Great texture to the dark stone & exquisite mounting with the stone slightly turning under to suggest its natural bottom. It would be great to see more like this. We appreciate that stones found naturally with this great texture in the dark matrix and a landscape profile are rare.

Hi Peter Brod.
Thank you for showing.
This stone has a strong sculptural quality.
Giving me the image of lying.
Lovely the way the head is put to rest,
is this figure like a mountain, listening to the earth or contemplating the day?
Regards, Sunip

The daiza is perfect. I'm jealous !

repair dai

cut,33x7,5 cm

Hi Peterbrod

I like your stone, with the soft silky patina...how long is it?...can I see a picture from the top?.

Kind regards Yvonne

hi Yvonne , i do not understand the question

Hi Peterbrod

Love the new stone too....

I want to see photos of birdsviuv....and I want to know the sice of the stones.

Kind regards Yvonne

Thanks...very nice stones

think about this

Hi Peter... Is the colorful stone (black matrix with patches of color) among your three stones ground/polished or acid washed? If ground/polished, it expresses Japanese biseki practice-- one of the stone appreciation categories noted in the Saburo Ei spreadsheet comparing suiseki,chinseki & biseki. Many biseki have commonly recognized color or pattern that adds layers of meaning to those which have landscape-view contour.

A sukura-ishi (cherry stone)...

Hi Peterbrod

The black stone is very nice...were did you find it?....How big is the stone. The old patina is lovely

Kind regards Yvonne

Hi Yvonne... Do you see an old patina? A stone when removed from a river does not have an old patina-- it has been exposed to continual loss of material, so it has a new surface.

Does this terrace/step stone have an old patina?




Does the Kamuikotan-ishi shown behind the terrace/step stone have an old patina or is it polished? In Japan, this is among the stones not appropriate for suiban placement and not water-aged.



A patina for suiseki indicates an aged skin. As Martin Pauli notes, you can see moisture expelled from your breath on an aged black stone.

Interesting daiza, Peter. Thanks for sharing it.

Hi Chris

The first stone looks like it has old patina....
A stone who has been rounded and shaped in a river, or in the ocean, has to me old patina, the stone has earned it through many years in the water...I belive this is patina, and not new skin.

Please tell me more about the stone in the daisa, I want to know, and I am not an expert.

Srry about the short answer, but I have to go.

kind regards Yvonne

yvonne-rubbing the palm of a dirty hamburger is replaced with a clean leater disc without chemistry-fifth(replacement yoseki-time 1: 10000)

doha ischi,dan seki

Hi Peterbrod

Thanks for the information...good to know .

The stone is very small. It is close to impossible to guess a stones sice.

I like the next two stones too, but they are not your best stones.

Kind regards Yvonne

Hi Peter... I suspect the Kamuikotan-ishi was also polished, though the Japanese typically display them as suiseki rather than biseki. Thanks for sharing.

For a doha (slope/plateau) stone, the viewer should be able to see the line separating the peak from the slope. For a danseki (terrace/step) stone, there should be at least two steps roughly parallel to the ground in addition to a flat top peak. A good reference is the brief article from the deceased collector Frank English titled, "What is suiseki?"

Hi Yvonne... The first stone (a terrace or step stone) was collected from the James River in my hometown. It sat on a bonsai bench for about 10 days before I cleaned it (along with other stones). I washed it (including once with soap) and took a quick photograph. Then, I rinsed it well. Several days later I took a series of photos including this picture. It does not have an aged skin; the Kamuikotan-ishi does not have an aged skin. Peter's recently buffed stone does not have an aged skin.

A stone does not develop an aged skin while being tumbled and scoured by water & sand in a river. That creates a new skin.

Hi Chris

My gues is, you are feeling very well now ( glowing), I am happy for you.....

Patina is also shaping of a stone in the nature.....

Really OlD SUISEKI-patina is found on a JAPANESE SUISEKI, and it is being made through many years of rubbing, and just being a suiseki for many many years.....

I dont think we can find many, that old stones in europe, so....

If I see a photo of a stone/suiseki on this page, showing a silky soft surface...the stone can be new or old, do I have the right to like it, if I do like it...if the "rubbing-patina" is new, what do I care. I can enjoy other peoples new stones, without having ancient stones on my mind, and trying to make it into a competision.

I have said it before, and I dont mind saying it again...you know a lot Chris, and I read your words and learn... but....

Kind regards Yvonne

Hi Chris,

Ah...the old topic of the definition of patina! Just for the fun of it, please remind us how to achieve patina with Lingbi or Furuya stones which are limestone.

Thanks and it's good to be back!
Norma