Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
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Todd Ellis
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Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
This plant was purchased from Bjorvala Bonsai Studio. It's my most cherished bonsai and although it still needs quite a bit of development, I think it has a great beginning. I need to repot it this coming spring. Virtuals, comments are welcome. Finished height will be about 32 inches from the top of the pot. The small trunk on the left will be staying and allowed to thicken to match the rest. I think it was a root graft and Bjorn thought it looked balanced with it. After looking at it many many times, I agree with him. I think the composition would be unbalanced without it.
I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do.
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I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do.
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Last edited by Sam Ogranaja on Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:13 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : I adjusted the angle of the front photo (first picture) so it was actually horizontal.)
Sam Ogranaja- Member
Re: Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
My major problem with the trunk you mentioned aside from its straightness (which is correctable) is that it gives you six trunks. To me, even numbers are boring. Otherwise it is a very nice composition.
JimLewis- Member
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Thanks Jim, I appreciate it.
Have a great weekend!!!!
Sam
Have a great weekend!!!!
Sam
Sam Ogranaja- Member
Re: Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
Hi Sam,
This tree looks massive. I think adding another trunk (like Jim suggests), perhaps three more, will "even" out this clump. How did you acquire this tree; did you go to the Bjorvala nursery or buy it online? Great material!
Todd
This tree looks massive. I think adding another trunk (like Jim suggests), perhaps three more, will "even" out this clump. How did you acquire this tree; did you go to the Bjorvala nursery or buy it online? Great material!
Todd
Todd Ellis- Member
Re: Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
Thanks Todd.
Bjorn was here in Raleigh last March. We went to breakfast and had a great conversation and after he left I emailed him telling him what I was looking for. He sent me pictures of this tree and it was exactly what I had envisioned. Bjorn's father Tom, brought the tree to the Carolina Bonsai Expo in Asheville for me. They were awesome to deal with and in my opinion, they sold me this tree for a STEAL. When I met with Tom, I kept thinking "Let's get it in my car before you change your mind". It needs work but that's exactly what I asked them for; just bones that I could build off of.
I actually don't care about the number of trunks at all. To me, it really does look balanced. The next tree I buy, I'll definitely contact them first and would highly recommend them to anyone.
Have a great weekend!!!!
Sam
Bjorn was here in Raleigh last March. We went to breakfast and had a great conversation and after he left I emailed him telling him what I was looking for. He sent me pictures of this tree and it was exactly what I had envisioned. Bjorn's father Tom, brought the tree to the Carolina Bonsai Expo in Asheville for me. They were awesome to deal with and in my opinion, they sold me this tree for a STEAL. When I met with Tom, I kept thinking "Let's get it in my car before you change your mind". It needs work but that's exactly what I asked them for; just bones that I could build off of.
I actually don't care about the number of trunks at all. To me, it really does look balanced. The next tree I buy, I'll definitely contact them first and would highly recommend them to anyone.
Have a great weekend!!!!
Sam
Sam Ogranaja- Member
Re: Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
Not sure if I missed it or not, but which picture is your proposed front? Or is it the first picture? I kind of like the 6th picture as a front, as it gives it a very full kind of feel and you can't tell how many trees are there. Beautiful tree regardless.
Ryan- Member
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Sam,
Congrats on a great tree! I hope to see it back in Asheville when it's ready.
What are your thoughts on the roots? I find the large root on the right front in the first picture to be out of character with the rest of the base. Does it appear that way to you in real life?
Is this a regular green leaf palmatum?
Regards,
Martin
Congrats on a great tree! I hope to see it back in Asheville when it's ready.
What are your thoughts on the roots? I find the large root on the right front in the first picture to be out of character with the rest of the base. Does it appear that way to you in real life?
Is this a regular green leaf palmatum?
Regards,
Martin
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MartinSweeney- Member
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Sam,
I am loving this clump. It looks very natural and that is a virtue especially with clump style bonsai. One criticism that I would make is that the trunks are more or less of the same thickness. But that defect can be fixed (I will let you do your homework to find out - watch Ryan Neil's criticism of the Midwest Show last year).
I am loving this clump. It looks very natural and that is a virtue especially with clump style bonsai. One criticism that I would make is that the trunks are more or less of the same thickness. But that defect can be fixed (I will let you do your homework to find out - watch Ryan Neil's criticism of the Midwest Show last year).
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Ryan wrote:Not sure if I missed it or not, but which picture is your proposed front? Or is it the first picture? I kind of like the 6th picture as a front, as it gives it a very full kind of feel and you can't tell how many trees are there. Beautiful tree regardless.
Hey Ryan,
The front is the first picture.
Thank you for the kind words!!!!
Sam
Sam Ogranaja- Member
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MartinSweeney wrote:Sam,
Congrats on a great tree! I hope to see it back in Asheville when it's ready.
What are your thoughts on the roots? I find the large root on the right front in the first picture to be out of character with the rest of the base. Does it appear that way to you in real life?
Is this a regular green leaf palmatum?
Regards,
Martin
Thanks Martin. I'll definitely show it there as soon as it can reach that level of maturity and ramification. My goal is for this tree to look at its best during the winter time.
That large root is just as large in person as it is in the pictures. It definitely needs work. I'm not sure what's underneath the soil line to cut back to, but I'll find out in the spring during repotting. I'll post some update shots. I may need to shorten dramatically and do some more root grafts. Bjorn already did about 15 on this tree.
You're right, just a regular green maple. Red outline when the leaves first emerge.
Have a great weekend!!!!
Sam Ogranaja- Member
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aman wrote:Sam,
I am loving this clump. It looks very natural and that is a virtue especially with clump style bonsai. One criticism that I would make is that the trunks are more or less of the same thickness. But that defect can be fixed (I will let you do your homework to find out - watch Ryan Neil's criticism of the Midwest Show last year).
Thanks Aman. I've seen those videos (Ryan's critique) before but I didn't catch that little tidbit you're talking about until I saw your comment. I had definitely planned on doing that in the future. It's a very appropriate criticism. Some of the trunks need to thicken up (namely the main trunk and the little guy on the left) while the others need to slow down.
Ryan's critique is amazing, isn't it?
Thanks again for taking the time to comment!!!
Sam
Sam Ogranaja- Member
Re: Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
Hey Sam,
What an awesome clump you have there! Given the size of the tree, i'm sure it gives quite a feeling of strength. The fact that you got a steal on it makes it that much better. I agree with Martin on the root moving to the right in the front. To me, it needs to be shortened. I'm sure you will play with some more root grafts as well. Just a quick cut and copy of how the tree would look with the root shortened, as you probably have already looked at. Also, I noticed the wood at the top left of the arrangement distancing 2 trunks. It's hard to tell from the photo, but are the trunks healing around the piece of wood? Thanks for sharing, I bet that is going to be a blast to work on.
What an awesome clump you have there! Given the size of the tree, i'm sure it gives quite a feeling of strength. The fact that you got a steal on it makes it that much better. I agree with Martin on the root moving to the right in the front. To me, it needs to be shortened. I'm sure you will play with some more root grafts as well. Just a quick cut and copy of how the tree would look with the root shortened, as you probably have already looked at. Also, I noticed the wood at the top left of the arrangement distancing 2 trunks. It's hard to tell from the photo, but are the trunks healing around the piece of wood? Thanks for sharing, I bet that is going to be a blast to work on.
AdamDunham- Member
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Thanks for that quick workup Adam. The rubber that is between the wood and the trunk is actually doing a great job of protecting the trunk. I pushed it away from both trunks and there is no damage from the piece of wood.
Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it.
Have a great week!!!!
Sam
Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it.
Have a great week!!!!
Sam
Sam Ogranaja- Member
Re: Large Clump Japanese Maple - lots of large pictures
To me, it really does look balanced.
Yes! That's part of the "problem" -- though I suppose not a major one to western eyes. In bonsai, true "balance" is not what we're looking for. Balance is static -- not dynamic. Five is a much better number for a group composition.
The standard recommendation for a group planting is three, five, seven, or nine (after nine, it doesn't matter that much).
But I won't belabor the point. It's a nice group.
JimLewis- Member
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Thanks for the compliment on the group Jim.
You know, I respect your opinion and I wouldn't mind using this bonsai as a learning opportunity. If you're willing to "belabor" the point.
What do you mean we're not looking for true balance?
I hope you make it through this winter storm with no issues.
Sam
You know, I respect your opinion and I wouldn't mind using this bonsai as a learning opportunity. If you're willing to "belabor" the point.
What do you mean we're not looking for true balance?
I hope you make it through this winter storm with no issues.
Sam
Sam Ogranaja- Member
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I have to say that this material makes me think sumo broom. I'm sure I've developed a reputation as a contrarian if anyone has been paying attention, but I can't imagine this not looking like Marge Simpson in leaf. Great material and good direction, but I think you should look for a smaller tree. Maybe that is not contrarian and is the party line, to go sumo, but why not compact the image when you have so many options
I think Jim is getting at movement rather than stability or balance and you do have a lot of options.
I think Jim is getting at movement rather than stability or balance and you do have a lot of options.
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