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Post  Ka Pabling on Mon Aug 15, 2011 8:07 am


Here are some pictures of another acacia fromn Jolz, please give your design suggestions.



Here is another option



Here are pictures of piles of acacia,It was bulldozed a few days ago for a road construction work, we did not have the necessary tools and manpower to salvage the materials






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What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:03 pm

here is another option, perhaps it could be the front.


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Post  Eastern Bonsai on Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:50 pm

Hello,

Here is an idea. I would remove the dead wood, rewire the lower left branch out, and cut where I have marked in black. Also a shorter pot in the future. Just an idea, hope this helps.

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:16 pm

Hello Ka Pabling

Very interesing tree. This is for me only Indor-bonsai. Very Happy
I think it's good to let the dead wood. It is a very significant element of the tree. The new composition, I obeyed it. Wink
Gretings Pavel

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:04 am


HI Abe,
Thanks for your comment

Hi Pavel,
This tree needs full sun and it is hardwood so there is no problem keeping the deadwood.

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Post  moyogijohn on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:32 am

Ka Pabling,,,This is only my opion,, If i were lucky enough to have this tree. i would lose the dead wood and put it in a regular pot..to keep some dead wood i would only do one third of it.over powering takes away from the tree... sorry only my opion...nice tree!! take care john

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Post  Ka Pabling on Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:02 am

moyogijohn wrote:Ka Pabling,,,This is only my opion,, If i were lucky enough to have this tree. i would lose the dead wood and put it in a regular pot..to keep some dead wood i would only do one third of it.over powering takes away from the tree... sorry only my opion...nice tree!! take care john

Thanks for your opinion John, am trying to get as many before I make the final decision sunny

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  kauaibonsai on Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:46 am

beautiful material ka pabling

quite a challenging tree. how about tilting the other way? living part up, deadwood down for cascade. train long lower branches behind/under deadwood so foliage appears to come from deadwood. streamline deadwood. grow living part for apex and branches. create some long branches to fill negative space.

best wishes, sam

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  Arno on Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:13 am

Ka Pabling

Ya gotta keep the deadwood, at least most of it! To those that say "cut it" they need to come to Maui and sit on the beach where all the Kiawes (acacia) grow right in the sand over the ocean. This looks like a beach tree you thought was dead yet there is new gree growth hanging out over the ocean. Sam is right!

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Post  AdamG on Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:23 am

I would definitely save a lot of the dead wood.

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What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:36 am


Good morning IBC,
Here is an update of this acacia, I did some cleaning and refining of the dead wood before I will cut it if ever I will decide to let it go.

Here are different angles of the tree;






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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  aaapostol_8368 on Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:46 am

Ka Pabling,
good morning for me picture no. 1 is most beautiful angle...
otherwise the 2 pictures are common angle of a tree
cheers.
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Post  Ka Pabling on Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:47 am

Since this is a very challenging tree to work on, if ever I am going to retain the dead wood, I might as well "raise the stakes" I am not sure if thats the term they use in poker games.

With picture no 3 I will tilt the tree to make a semi cascade style with the live part on top as Sam suggested and plant it on a rock!

I hope somebody can help me with the virtuals, am now calling for Dorothy,Cram, Rob and the rest.I have some large size limestone rocks which could be carved to fit your virts.

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  cram on Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:17 pm

with a great plesure ...ka pabling
i like your first way to look at this hard tree
i don t know so much acacia
except that the virtual i made you is a little "special" for this spiecies
...as your tree

well...i think something very graphic like this could be good for this acacia
maybe i ve exagerated a little bit Razz
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Post  mike page on Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:10 pm

Keep the deadwood. All of it! The deadwood is the character of the tree. The foliage is the cosmetic.
Just an old man's opinion. Cool

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Post  Jesse on Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:02 pm

Nice virt Cram

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:07 am

mike page wrote:Keep the deadwood. All of it! The deadwood is the character of the tree. The foliage is the cosmetic.
Just an old man's opinion. Cool

Mike

So much wisdom in an old mans opinion. Thanks Mike

Very nice virts Cram, thanks a lot, I wish I could do virts like that.

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  AlainK on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:49 am

To me, fewer deadwood, life should prevail Wink

Though there are veins that give it a rhythm, the dead wood part is on the overall, very circular, very geometric.

Maybe the live part (2/3) could echo this structure like a living shadow...


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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:03 pm



Very interesting design Alain .both live part and deadwood are in harmony. Very Happy

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  jrodriguez on Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:28 pm

Ka pabling,

In Puerto Rico, we have Aroma (Acasia farnesiana/ which we also call aroma) and Baya Honda (Prosopis juliflora). Due to the size and type of foliage of your tree, I often think this is, in fact, Prosopis juliflora. Can you post a picture of the flower stamens?

On another note, Prosopis juliflora coal is often used to roast lechón, as it possesses an unusual amount of the flavonoid/mesquitol in its heartwood.

Your friend,

Jose Luis


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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  dorothy7774 on Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:50 pm

jrodriguez wrote:..
In Puerto Rico, we have .. Honda..

We do too.. Laughing

-dorothy

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:07 pm



Hi Jose,

This tree is definitely not a baya honda. I just saw the picture of prosopis juliflora, the leaves are larger. aroma leave are smaller and and have needle sharp thorns almost 2 inches long.

Hi Dorothy,
What do you have, the baya honda, or the acacia farnesiana. I am not sure if baya honda could be made a bonsai.

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Post  jrodriguez on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:31 pm

Ka Pabling wrote:

Hi Jose,

This tree is definitely not a baya honda. I just saw the picture of prosopis juliflora, the leaves are larger. aroma leave are smaller and and have needle sharp thorns almost 2 inches long.

Hi Dorothy,
What do you have, the baya honda, or the acacia farnesiana. I am not sure if baya honda could be made a bonsai.

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ka pabling

Pabling,

Baya honda has small leaves, like the acasia farnesiana. Also, it has mean thorns, like the Acasia farnesiana. The reason i ask for a picture of the flowers, is that they differ a lot. Aroma has a small yellow ball as a flower. Baya honda has an elongated flower stamen. It kind of looks lika a banana.

Baya honda can be made into a bonsai, particularly with those collected along the shore.

Your friend,

Jose Luis


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Post  jrodriguez on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:32 pm

dorothy7774 wrote:
jrodriguez wrote:..
In Puerto Rico, we have .. Honda..

We do too.. Laughing

-dorothy

I think Dorothy was making fun of the name, comparing it to the Japanese car. Honda means deep in spanish.

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Re: What to do with this acacia

Post  Ka Pabling on Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:46 am

Hi Jose,

Thats what I saw, the flowers of baya honda are elongated while that of aroma, are small yellow balls.
Do you have aromas in your garden?

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