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Post  law on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:35 pm

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Post  law on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:37 pm

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Post  JimLewis on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:42 pm

Well, have fun with this, but I think I would have preferred picture #1 with about 90% less foliage. I'm not sure how you're going to get a "real" tree out of this.

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Post  law on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:53 pm

Bonsai is not real. Bonsai is a human way.

Just a question of conscience and acceptation.

Nature can only be in nature. Very Happy

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Post  JimLewis on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:58 pm

Nature can only be in nature.

I'm not sure about that.

Anyway, most of us use our bonsai to emulate trees in nature.

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Post  gman on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:59 pm

Sometimes different is good, (this is very different) what's the plan for the branch on the right?
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Post  law on Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:02 pm

I ll cut it next year. Juts a help to grow faster.

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Post  law on Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:07 pm

JimLewis wrote:
Nature can only be in nature.

I'm not sure about that.

Anyway, most of us use our bonsai to emulate trees in nature.

Subjectivity and nuances as always.

Everybody have is own truth.

I respect your.


Next step with a Vev design :

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Post  DangerousBry on Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:48 pm

Love it!!!
I like different!!

There is a future to bonsai and it will evolve... Who knows!!

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Post  gope on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:26 pm

You have a great plan for this pine. It is obvious that the knot won't hold its extremely compacted shape, sketch is showing the future of the tree.
I love it!

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Post  BrianG on Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:00 am

Bad ass Law! ... love the character you've created. I look forward to seeing it's progress in the future.

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Post  level320 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:14 pm


like it very much...your different style.
nice to see people that go their own way and not only try to emulate a tree in nature (of course is also ok if someone do this)
in the end is the result that counts...and your result is very impressive ThumbsUp

kind regards
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Post  aristide on Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:12 pm

cool, but for one time, i prefer the tree as it is now, more than it will be on vev's design.

even if vev's idea is beautifull, the pine looks more "funky", how you created it. perhaps make an other sylvestris like vev design?

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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:17 am

Law law law!

there is no law in bonsai! hehehe. I like your idea! Compact and different thumbs up . I personally don't like the pot from Vevs design. A different creative pot should match a different creative bonsai too.



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Post  jrodriguez on Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:41 pm

Law,

Nice. Curve style bonsai needs a straight portion to make the design cohesive. Too many curves, make the finished product monotonous. Perhaps adding a straight branch towards the left will give the finishing touch to a very interesting design. It reminds me of some of the junipers of Chen Chien Liang and the premnas of Chiu Wen Ren of Tien Wei.

Keep up the good work,

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Post  AlainK on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:39 am

Interesting from the point of view of cultivation techniques,
Intéressant du point de vue des techniques de cuture,

not sure at all of the result from an aesthetic point of view...
pas sûr du tout du résultat sur le plan esthéthique...

Some say that bonsai are "tortured" trees: does a bonsai need to look monstruous?...
Certains disent que les bonsaï sont des arbres "torturés : est-ce qu'un bonsaï a besoin d'être monstrueux ?...

Just like for your maples, I'm looking for the pure line that produces emotion
Comme pour tes érables, je cherche la ligne pure qui produit de l'émotion

Pardon me: spectacular, but rather vain in my opinion
Excuse-moi: spectaculaire, mais assez vain d'après moi

I think you're in a dead-end and that you're wasting your talent Sad



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Post  augustine on Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:00 am

Law,

I enjoy traditional styling as well as the naturalistic designs like that of Mr. Pall. You, however, are giving us something different and it has elicited strong responses.

Taking away the horticulture side, we try to create art and many artists have provoked strong responses from their viewers. This is unavoidable and the artist can either listen to the detractors or continue upon their path... Some people hated Picasso and Van Gogh could barely sell a painting in his lifetime.

I think your tree is beautiful and have never seen anything like it. Thank you.

Best regards,

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Post  level320 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:23 am

well spoken raymond.....there will be always people who like that and others not.
for my part, it`something different but also very beautiful.....and i am normaly a tradicionalist.

how you do this alain ?...are you practicing yoga for a long time ? (sorry, it`s a bad joke, my apologies for that)

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Post  law on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:55 am

Wait and see as always.

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Post  cram on Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:28 am

very fun law!

alain....always egal to himself Razz
you spend much more time to explain to people what they should did than to show us the way you seems to know.... how beauty can be showed to others
maybe just let people get different emotions an point of vues?
and just show your personnal one by doing nice trees instead to try to hurt
it will be a better way to express your contastation

what you said is maybe real for you... but for example.... absolutly at the opposite side of thruth for me

so...like this... law is waisting is talent? Bagpiper

et pourquoi tu traduis en francais?...si on est la c est qu on sait lire l anglais non?

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Post  Gary Swiech on Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:30 pm

Law, I like what you did with the pine.

I've seen old pictures of Japanese white pines that were collected during the turn of the last century that are coiled like yours naturally.


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Post  Ryan B on Fri Nov 23, 2012 8:22 am

Jim,
I've seen much more compact and contorted trunks on raw stock yamadori. If you're not seeing a tree here, you should get out more. This is a very contemporary Japanese way of styling some pines, especially black, brought on(at least in the east) by the popularity of Shimpaku and Juniper styles. While the crown doesn't resemble anything we see in nature, all bonsai is, to excessive or pretty big degree, an idealization, an imitation, and a miniaturazation: the map is not the territory. Jim, MOST bonsai artist DO NOT create bonsai that resemble natural trees. When you take into account all of the bonsai artists out there, most are creating idealized trees. Perhaps 40 years ago, when naturalism was the style in Japan....but look to Italy, and the Phillipines, and modern Japan, and a significant portion of everywhere else, and I think you'll see more highly idealized conceptions of tree-ness in bonsai than naturalistic ones. Bonsai is art. It doesn't even have to look like a tree, if it evokes the feeling of nature and the sense of a tree. Sense and Reference, idealization and naturalism...any takers? Thanks Leibniz, LOL.
Excellent styling. Good technique. Well done.
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Post  law on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:30 am

I can't say it better. Very Happy

Same way of thoughts.

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Post  Smithy on Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:13 pm

Excellent work Law . An inspiration . I always enjoy your posts.

Some people seem to not have any imagination and magic in their lives and seem to cling on to how things are supposed to be.

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