Chinese influence on Forestry commission Larch

Wow. I'd say what you pulled off with this tree is a remarkable transition (all for the better). I'm not sure I would have gone there with this material......but you did and kudos to you!

Hi Will, mmmm interesting!!!!the only thing that doesn,t make sense is the difference between
the contorted branch work depicting one long hell of a hard life!, and a trunk that looks the
opposite still! considering the material as I said interesting!!!see you at B of B

Alex e

with all aside will. I reaaly like it. Has an almost creepy spooky sleepy hollow look to it.

Hello Todd. The wire will probably come off during the Summer depending how vigorous it is.

Alex. Try reading again and you will see I mentioned some work on the trunk in future.

Albert. Glad you like it. Seems to be a bit of a love it, hate it tree

Having become almost nocturnal through work, I got a chance yesterday to take the wire off this Larch. Nearly froze my bits off in the process but it was good to feel the sun on my face.

As you can see the tree grew very well this year. Lots of twigs were either removed or shortened. This picture was taken from the back of the tree and all branches growing towards the trunk or front of the tree were removed. All branches and twigs that grew in the direction of the wind wer shortened ready for wiring and bending with the wind.

All thinned and ready for wiring. Hope to get the chance in the next couple of days.

will baddeley wrote:All thinned and ready for wiring. Hope to get the chance in the next couple of days.

this trunk movement tends to a fukinagashi style, doesn't it?

Will, as you used one of my windswept picture for reference, I’d like to give my comment and I hope you don’t mind.

It’s an ideal material for windswept style and you did a good start with good explanation. You are right, many people get wrong that windswept style should have the tree lean following the wind-blow direction with all branches to go one direction. It’s not the case because wind CAN BLOW any tree in nature, so any bonsai style can be done into windswept..suggesting the wind IS BLOWING…

Of course we can make the bonsai lean to one direction with all one-sided branches, and this might suggest a tree which has been formed by a continuous wind blow, but the wind may not blowing at the moment. They are different in concept and in technique.
I prefer to make a windswept like the Chinese does..depicting an existing wind blowing, because this is much more evocating and requires sufficient skill to do so.. TO CREATE THE MOVEMENT IN SILENCE…

But then when I see your very recent progress, seems it has changed totally and no more suggesting a windswept style… it is rather a slanting style …



Let’s see your previous picture…



This was a good start, but it lacked of natural fact that suggested an existing strong wind blow, it was rather imbalance. It was because you missed the “golden-key” .. what shows the movement is silence is “anti-gravity” of the ramification structure.

Here is my simulation..



It is better in visual balance, but the “anti-gravity” ramification structure suggests the wind blowing movement. This is how you see trees are being blown by wind in comic book, just that simple.
The wind is blowing top down, hits the ground and reflects upward in such power to pull up the branches, so you need to make the upper ramification growing upward in “anti-gravity” manner (because in normal condition, the ramification will not grow this way). Then, on the reverse side, the more you make the drastic turns of the branches, the stronger impact because they show the strong wind that has bent those branches..this is the most important tension. The less such feature, the weaker the wind blow, so you can also create a tender wind blow image using this concept on any style of bonsai.

Windswept bonsai is best displayed without leaves because it’s difficult to logically tell the strong wind blow with non-moving leaves (leaves always grow in balance manner).
But with leaves, you can create a windswept style showing a tree formed by continuous wind, but the wind is not necessary blowing at the moment...

Normal condition..



Gentle wind blow...



Strong wind...



Formed by continuous wind blow, but the wind is not blowing at the moment...

Thank you Robert for your time and detailed explanation. Maybe it was a little previous of me to put the pictures up before completing the work but I did say on the last picture that the tree was now ready for wiring in the next couple of days. I personally like to see the trees movement move into the wind and arch round as it adds both tension and some balance too. Hopefully I will start wiring later today.

Great Will..I'd love to see and great job !

This is becoming a dramatic tree Will. I'll be waiting too for the final result.

As for Roberts explanation, I am using the same principle now with my wind swept design. His book got a whole section of the windswept styles discussed in details...I find it reasonable enough to follow.hehehe

There's even an example of a lady there whose skirt was blown by the wind. (blown and blown away are different thing, right? hehehe), and if the wind is strong the skirt will be blown upward ( anti gravity, I assume). Something like a Marilyn Monroe image. very useful infos, it tickles the imagination.


regards,
jun

A few hours wiring this morning and heres the result. Top doesn't look quite right at this angle as the picture was taken slightly lower down.

Better pic of the top albeit rather blurred but its just started raining here.

Great structure Will, but review again my above comment, It is back to your previous setting..the ramification of the middle branches and the upper crown should flow upward instead of downward...

Robert,

one remark, larch branches cascade downwards from nature, so if the wind blows the branches wont move, they are to thick and sturdy.
In my opinion only the twigs would move upwards on a windy day.

Peter

Beat me to it Peter. Larch branches fall naturally Robert. I don't know what you mean by the middle and top branches rising?

Peter, in bonsai..as other art, especially on windswept, the main vision is to convey our message through the artistic skill expression on the creation, not by giving descriptive explanation, art is about conveying implicit message through explicit form. If that's the case, then how the wind can bend those branches on the reverse side in such dramatic manner ? If you don't bend them, you won't obtain the impact and won't success to create a convincing windswept style bonsai.

For instance, if you want to draw a fast running car, you should draw the car in anti-gravity manner. If you draw the car touching on the road, you cannot convince the viewers that the car is running fast or by putting a text saying this 7 series BMW is very heavy.

LOL, in bonsai, we are not making the miniature of the exact species, but we are resembling the character of certain species... So when you show this bonsai, no one will know it's a larch, or if they know it is, they may not know their branches are that hard that can't be blown by wind. Wind can pull the whole big tree from ground...

Sorry, I just try to give my opinion...

Will, please read carefully my explanation and see carefully my simulation picture and compare to your original picture. Also my sketches, I am sure you will find what I mean..

Will..another one here for you to get the better feeling....

Will thanks for posting..... this is a great thread.
Robert, thank you for your inspirational descriptions of the windswept style and the different concepts that can be used to capture that style.
Living on the west coast of Canada (which is subjected to winter storms with very strong and consistent winds between Nov-March) and having predominantly conifers I can understand Will’s idea and theory……. but I can also see that with a few adjustments to the angle of the branches in the middle and upper section it might portray the concept a little more acutely or convincingly.
Cheers Graham

Thanks Graham...and have an enjoyable holidays...

windswept

Thanks Gary...this exactly corresponds to my explaination. Nature is the best teacher...

Had a ten minute fiddle before bed yesterday morning and came up with this.