Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
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ogie
Billy M. Rhodes
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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi Billy,
I think the stone has been stain with a special ink like a tatoo machine for drawing the design. I think your hunch is right..just my observation only.thanks for posting.
Regards,
Alex
I think the stone has been stain with a special ink like a tatoo machine for drawing the design. I think your hunch is right..just my observation only.thanks for posting.
Regards,
Alex
ogie- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Doesn't look authentic to me either. Sorry Billy.
Kev Bailey- Admin
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
When did articles on the forging of documents, I started to rock slightly on this topic. I have read and studied all the material found on the net. What do you say there is an example of a false material, so I see, a fairly weak, we saw more success in this area. You should not blame those who made him ... maybe it's the only way for counterfeiters to give a piece of bread Families.
Sorry Billy ... but still remains a beautiful stone.
Sorry for my bad English, I hope that they understand what I meant.
Vasile
Sorry Billy ... but still remains a beautiful stone.
Sorry for my bad English, I hope that they understand what I meant.
Vasile
popan vasile- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
very not real Billy. lines are to perfect and unnatural. very one dimensional also.
very poor faking technique too, sorry Billy.
regards,
jun
very poor faking technique too, sorry Billy.
regards,
jun
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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi Jun
You're right, it's drawing too perfect, too perfect petals ... is very poor imitation.
Vasile
You're right, it's drawing too perfect, too perfect petals ... is very poor imitation.
Vasile
popan vasile- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi Billy,
Did you see this same stone at ebay when you decide to go through with the aquisition?Sometimes this guys get away scotfree
Rgards,
Alex
Did you see this same stone at ebay when you decide to go through with the aquisition?Sometimes this guys get away scotfree
Rgards,
Alex
ogie- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
ogie wrote:Hi Billy,
Did you see this same stone at ebay when you decide to go through with the aquisition?Sometimes this guys get away scotfree
Rgards,
Alex
Alex
I would be easy to fool and E Bay resolutions are not that great.
Billy
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi Billy
Same situation here before thats why i avoid ebay now.Hope you can go ASPAC Japan next year so i can meet you guys somehow.Keep well Billy
Regards,
Alex
Same situation here before thats why i avoid ebay now.Hope you can go ASPAC Japan next year so i can meet you guys somehow.Keep well Billy
Regards,
Alex
Last edited by ogie on Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:43 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : mispelled)
ogie- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
I might get to ASPAC. At this time I have a deposit down on a trip to Japan in Feb. 2011, but the organizer is not sure there will be enough signing up to make the trip happen, so the trip would be canceled and I will get my deposit back. There is another group going from the US in Feb. 2011 and if I get my deposit back in time, I might go with that group.
OR, I know Bonsai Clubs International has a trip organized for Nov. 2011 to visit ASPAC and the other big show in Japan. As I understand it ASPAC and the other show are one week apart and this tour would cover both.
OR, I know Bonsai Clubs International has a trip organized for Nov. 2011 to visit ASPAC and the other big show in Japan. As I understand it ASPAC and the other show are one week apart and this tour would cover both.
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi Billy... I do not think this is an imitation chrysanthemum stone, but I imagine the stone's matrix is painted black with sumi ink & that some of what appear as petals are exposed areas of a stone with a "light-gray" rather than "black" matrix. The painting suggests a more-distinct radial pattern, but its artfulness is overdone. Most of the stone appears unpolished, and I would attempt to wash-off the black ink to expose what is real. If the stone is simply artificial, the matrix will be black so nothing will wash away.
With its petals reaching back to a central disk & some radial straight lines that are not particularly distinct, chances are better than others' suggest that this is a real chrysanthemum stone. Of course, you can always enjoy it for its painting. I'm intrigued by the mystery.
With its petals reaching back to a central disk & some radial straight lines that are not particularly distinct, chances are better than others' suggest that this is a real chrysanthemum stone. Of course, you can always enjoy it for its painting. I'm intrigued by the mystery.
Chris Cochrane- Member
Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi friends , I think that this stone is fake - Imitation crysanthemum stone.
http://chrysanthemumstone.com.au/pages/chrysanthemum_index.php
http://chrysanthemumstone.com.au/pages/chrysanthemum_index.php
ngoquangvu- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
[quote="Billy M. Rhodes"]I bought this on E Bay and didn't pay much. After reading some in the book by Elias and Nakaoji I am not sure it is real.
Comments.
Hi Billy
I just saw stones like yours on the E-bay. The adwert say an old man is cutting the stones, and then paint them.
Kind regards Yvonne
Comments.
Hi Billy
I just saw stones like yours on the E-bay. The adwert say an old man is cutting the stones, and then paint them.
Kind regards Yvonne
Guest- Guest
Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
In Vietnam , someone used natural black stones coated by quartzite , they used fine cutting machine to carve it.
ngoquangvu- Member
Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone
Hi Ngoquangvu... Please post photos of such stones. The fakes which the Elias/Nakaoji text describe were not made of rock crystal.
The crystal structure apparent in Billy's stone is separate from the too perfect petals 'created' by leaving part of the stone unpainted. If someone were to try crafting a chrysanthemum stone with intaglio crystal chips, they would unlikely craft an indistinct image in stone & then paint it. Billy's stone bears little relation to your description of stone crafting.
The flower pattern in Billy's stone is indistinct but not indistinguishable. It is not far from the less realistic flower patterns seen on stones priced at $800 as "natural stones" on the Australian web site to which you shared a link. Those are more processed than Billy's specimen. Once a pattern is uncovered, the craftsman takes a risk in seeking to enhance it. If the pattern is not clear, it can easily be erased by further carving.
Through experience, those who work these stones must learn which are worth processing by carving, & which are only worth painting. Many finely carved stones are painted including stones on the Australian web site.
The crystal structure apparent in Billy's stone is separate from the too perfect petals 'created' by leaving part of the stone unpainted. If someone were to try crafting a chrysanthemum stone with intaglio crystal chips, they would unlikely craft an indistinct image in stone & then paint it. Billy's stone bears little relation to your description of stone crafting.
The flower pattern in Billy's stone is indistinct but not indistinguishable. It is not far from the less realistic flower patterns seen on stones priced at $800 as "natural stones" on the Australian web site to which you shared a link. Those are more processed than Billy's specimen. Once a pattern is uncovered, the craftsman takes a risk in seeking to enhance it. If the pattern is not clear, it can easily be erased by further carving.
Through experience, those who work these stones must learn which are worth processing by carving, & which are only worth painting. Many finely carved stones are painted including stones on the Australian web site.
Chris Cochrane- Member
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