Shohin Blackthorn
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John Quinn
Richard S
john blanchard
Rui Marques
AlainK
Kevin S - Wisco Bonsai
Vlad
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Shohin Blackthorn
Height: 15 cm as it stands now with the target around 12 cm
Pot: training
Nov 2015
Nov 2016
Plans for 2017?
The little sloe would need a bit more pruning in the early spring next year as I have left the the new shoots a bit longer now. Then I should start to think about the direction to move with the dead wood. But the biggest challenge is covered in the soil. This is the reason for a pot a bit larger than one would expect. I have tried to graft roots with zerro success rate. I am considering an air layer but the reports on the air layering of sloes are quite rare and not very exciting. We will see...
Pot: training
Nov 2015
Nov 2016
Plans for 2017?
The little sloe would need a bit more pruning in the early spring next year as I have left the the new shoots a bit longer now. Then I should start to think about the direction to move with the dead wood. But the biggest challenge is covered in the soil. This is the reason for a pot a bit larger than one would expect. I have tried to graft roots with zerro success rate. I am considering an air layer but the reports on the air layering of sloes are quite rare and not very exciting. We will see...
Last edited by Vlad on Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:04 am; edited 1 time in total
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
perhaps cutting "windows" in the bark under/at the soil line and applying some rooting hormone paste and finely grated sphagnum moss would encourage some rooting in the desired area... i have had some success with this method...
regardless, that is going to be a nice little blackthorn !
regardless, that is going to be a nice little blackthorn !
Kevin S - Wisco Bonsai- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Csescz Vlad,
I really like your way to bonsai.
You're not building "instant bonsai", you're accompanying a tree that is developping.
No excessive dead wood, a taste for elegance vs spectacular carving, a mind for the future: keep on the good work
I really like your way to bonsai.
You're not building "instant bonsai", you're accompanying a tree that is developping.
No excessive dead wood, a taste for elegance vs spectacular carving, a mind for the future: keep on the good work
AlainK- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
It is definitely an experience worth trying Kevin. Thanks a lot.
Salut Alain, Thank you for your comment. I am doing this stuff for a pleasure and not for a living or to present it on a show. That makes quite a difference
Bonsai is never finished.
Journey is the goal.
Salut Alain, Thank you for your comment. I am doing this stuff for a pleasure and not for a living or to present it on a show. That makes quite a difference
Bonsai is never finished.
Journey is the goal.
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Vlad wrote:
Bonsai is never finished.
Journey is the goal.
Looks like you're on a good trip
AlainK- Member
Update 2018
Spring 2018
Autumn 2018
Needs to visit the barber shop but that will happen next spring after the blossom season.
Badly need to see some blossoms on this little thing after all these years of cutting and pruning
Height: 16 cm
Pot: Oversized but need to keep it for the moment due to the status of roots.
Autumn 2018
Needs to visit the barber shop but that will happen next spring after the blossom season.
Badly need to see some blossoms on this little thing after all these years of cutting and pruning
Height: 16 cm
Pot: Oversized but need to keep it for the moment due to the status of roots.
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Yet another excellent tree Vlad! Developing well.
Doesn't seem to be a lot happening on this forum nowadays but when I see you've posted something I know it's going to be worth stopping to take a look.
Thanks for sharing the update.
Regards
Richard
Doesn't seem to be a lot happening on this forum nowadays but when I see you've posted something I know it's going to be worth stopping to take a look.
Thanks for sharing the update.
Regards
Richard
Richard S- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
@ Kevin Frankly, I am tiptoeing around this tree. Have tried some non invasive technique this year though - such as a nice featherbed sorry I mean mossbed on the top. On the other hand I have used the technique you have mentioned on one of my field maple. I will share the tree and results later in November.
@ Richard It is a bit quiet here right now We surely need some strong, charismatic leaders... Kevin, where are you?
Thank you @ John. Happy you like it.
@ Richard It is a bit quiet here right now We surely need some strong, charismatic leaders... Kevin, where are you?
Thank you @ John. Happy you like it.
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
I look forward to seeing it in bloom. What month will it bloom in your area?
John Quinn- Member
SHOHIN-BLACKTHORN
I think that blackthorn is of the roseacea family and can have some rose techniques applied to them. Such as sweating. This is where the plant can be sealed into a slightly transparent polythene bag, such as a trash bag, and put in good light as it breaks dormancy. The higher temperature and humidity will encourage new growth and the low light level forces the tree to extend its growth in the search for light. If you do this and apply a rhizo tonic new roots will sprout from everywhere.
john blanchard- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Hi Vlad,
That's a sweet little blackthorn. Do you plan on moving it into a smaller pot?
That's a sweet little blackthorn. Do you plan on moving it into a smaller pot?
Thomas Urban- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
John Quinn wrote: What month will it bloom in your area?
Its March/April, John.
Thank you for bringing this interesting point, John.john blanchard wrote:I think that blackthorn is of the roseacea family and can have some rose techniques applied to them. Such as sweating.
I have never used this technique on reasonable developed trees but yamadories or trees that did have some problem to start up. On trees like this one I try to apply the method mentioned by Kevin or as it is the case with this blackthorn - a layer of moss on the surface. The reason why I did not used the "window" technique on this tree is the massive shari on one side of the trunk - I did not want to challenge the remaining live vein. Maybe I am overcautious but thats me .
Practical point of window or mossbed technique - you promote growth of surface roots to improve nebari. With sweating you do not control this in my oppinion.
I do not have any experience with this substance. Probably will not cause any harm but not sure if there is any positive effect for the plants. Its maybe the same as SuperThrive.john blanchard wrote: rhizo tonic
On the other side - I have never made any reasonable test on it so my position is just based on gut feelings and articles about plants physiology. Will be happy to learn more from you or others if they use it.
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Thomas Urban wrote:Do you plan on moving it into a smaller pot?
I know your passion for smaller than small pots, Thomas . Whats wrong with this one?
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Vlad wrote:Thomas Urban wrote:Do you plan on moving it into a smaller pot?
I know your passion for smaller than small pots, Thomas . Whats wrong with this one?
Nothing wrong with it, I just thought it might be a trainer but as you say maybe I like the pots a little smaller, just to give the tree a little more BOOM. Maybe this taste can be blamed on Mirai, Michael Hagedorn and Walter Pall?
Thomas Urban- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Vlad wrote:
Height: 16 cm
Pot: Oversized but need to keep it for the moment due to the status of roots.
Bad luck. I thought we could raise some emotions
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Thomas Urban wrote:but as you say maybe I like the pots a little smaller, just to give the tree a little more BOOM. Maybe this taste can be blamed on Mirai, Michael Hagedorn and Walter Pall?
I think the former of the three
its called mesMIRAIzed
Kevin S - Wisco Bonsai- Member
Re:shohin blackthorn
Don't know if you can get your hands on Rhizotonic as it's manufactured in the UK. But Harry Harrington has carried out and shared some trials;
http://bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/AT%20Rhizotonic%20for%20Bonsai%20Roots.html
http://bonsai4me.com/AdvTech/AT%20Rhizotonic%20for%20Bonsai%20Roots.html
john blanchard- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
john blanchard wrote: But Harry Harrington has carried out and shared some trials;
Interesting reading, John. Thank you for the link
I do believe there are some substances that promote growth of plants. Just have a look at the willow. It roots like mad. What is the reason for that? The presence of IBA seems to be only a part of the story. Who knows? Cytokinin? as it is in Keiki paste?
The bad luck is that while the science is still at loss the sellers are quite sure about them. Vitamines, extracts from desert plants/rainforests plants etc.
I am sure that the Dutchmen behind the Canna are experts, don't get me wrong. The quality of Dutch horticulture is well know.
Vlad- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
Vlad wrote:Vlad wrote:
Height: 16 cm
Pot: Oversized but need to keep it for the moment due to the status of roots.
Bad luck. I thought we could raise some emotions
Good try
I should have read all of the comments beforehand
Also the dutchmen and their cannabis?
@Kevin mesMIRAIzed - nice
Thomas Urban- Member
Re: Shohin Blackthorn
@Bruce thank you. I hope that at least some of the blossoms were pollinated. Would like to have some fruits here and there.
Vlad- Member
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