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Post  peter keane on Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:47 pm

I'm spending time wiring this one over the weekend. I have a design in mind. Can you tell me, which trunk line do you like best (granted I have some branch selection to do)?





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Post  peter keane on Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:14 pm

Here's the pine in it's original planting angle after purchasing it.


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Post  Neil Jaeger on Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:18 pm

I like the third picture with the little jin showing. Great tree love the base and the taper thanks for posting.

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Post  luc tran on Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:01 am

From what the pictures can tell. the second is the best with a good 3D feel to the tree. the third picture it seems that the tree is leaning away from the viewer.

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Post  Todd Ellis on Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:02 pm

Peter, I like your tree and have looked at the photos a few times. This tree is challenging. I like the tension that the third photo shows, but the roots do not support the tree at that angle. The first and third photo - the roots support the lower trunk. I would have to see a 360 before making a decision. What are your thoughts at this point? I think removing the first branch like you did was a good start. Have fun!
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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:24 pm

The first photo for me. got the best trunk movement. just keep the second branch on the right side and grow it a bit longer ,the back branch on the middle portion and the branch with top canopy...If it were my tree I'll remove the rest of the branches to have a true literati simplicity.

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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:18 pm

Absolutely the first photo. It has the most natural movement. On the other photos the trunk have some uniform curves that doesn't look natural.

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Post  peter keane on Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:58 pm

wow. after reading the comments, you guys have me thinking....... While studying the tree for purchase, the first image was what I intended for the final design. However, yesterday, I wanted to play with different angles and trunk lines as "what if's".....

As dramatic as the first image is, the things that bother me about it are these: the movement of the trunk is too abrupt. To me, a bunjin should have a gentle flow to it. I don't like the "knee" at (2). The trunks at (3) and (4) are near vertical and horizontal, feeling "static". Additionally, from the soil to the apex, the trunk is two-dimensional - which can't be seen in this photograph. Luc was able to see that in the 3rd image, the apex went backwards.

In the second option, the trunk line is a series of "c" curves, breaking the rules. I don't mind the curves as the trunk line has a nice visual rythmn. There are plenty of examples of trees in nature (and european exhibitions) that have the dreaded "c" curve. The trunk is also three-dimensional in this image (which is hard to see). The 1st part of part of the trunk comes towards the viewer before (2) starts. Although the apex moves towards the wall in (3), it can be bent clockwise to come back to the viewer. This is what I had chosen for my final design.

I may have to graft a shoot at the base of the second branch to develop a compact pad. I'll see how it looks after wiring it out. Thanks guys.... Very Happy



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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:17 pm

What rules are broken? There are no rules. Just look and decide what looks most natural. As Jun writes, you need the canopy to be light and not too dense. Therefore no need to graft. Keep the foliage pads open and not too heavy as it seems natural supported by the slim trunk.

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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:39 pm

morten albek wrote:What rules are broken? There are no rules. Just look and decide what looks most natural. As Jun writes, you need the canopy to be light and not too dense. Therefore no need to graft. Keep the foliage pads open and not too heavy as it seems natural supported by the slim trunk.

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This is a classic example of following to much "rules" will make your tree unnatural. Please don't make the easy portion more difficult. Just pull the second branch down further to make the tree looks older. branches right now are over crowded.

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Post  moyogijohn on Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:34 pm

MY OPION,,,I like the first view..The bottom back branch bothers me a little..is there not another one highter up??? pull the branches down a little is what i would do....nice tree!! TAKE CARE JOHN

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Post  luc tran on Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:19 am

I just feel that this tree is very feminine and I personally think that the second photo with the 'c' curves display this feminie side the best. I'm excited as to how you work with the tree. Keep us posted.

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