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Scots Pine Literati

Post  Will Heath on Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:33 am

Here's a Scots pine I have been working with for a couple of years and which is just starting to mature.



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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Rob Kempinski on Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:41 pm

Will, interesting design.
The bark needs some antiquity. Maybe wrapping it is sphagnum moss might help.

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Post  Will Heath on Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:35 pm

Thanks Rob.


Here is a close up of the trunk bark, just beginning to mature.....




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Post  Will Heath on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:03 am

Below is a side by side progression showing 10 months worth of work.



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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  peter krebs on Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:43 am

Hi Will,

the pot fits this very well.

feminine tree and feminine drum pot. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Best regards
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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Will Heath on Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:36 pm

Thanks Peter,

I was worried about this pot as it is visually busy, but once the tree was in it, I liked it very much.


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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Jay Sinclair on Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:34 pm

I had the opportunity to see this tree in person at the Ann Arbor Bonsai Society Show last weekend. Will was a vendor there, and had it displayed in his sales area.

It does need some maturing, but I really like this tree. The pot was well chosen - it works well with the tree.

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Ed Trout on Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:26 pm

Will,

Great Job ! I think you have captured the essence of the classic "hanging branch" style. The progression photos are pretty neat too. The tree goes from "a wild & crazy guy" to a "shy introvert"!


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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Will Heath on Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:41 pm

Jay, nice seeing you on-line here and it was a pleasure meeting you at the Ann Arbor show, which was very successful by any measure. Thanks for the kind words on the Scots.

Ed,

I have always liked the drop branch bunjin style, I'm very pleased to hear your thoughts on this tree, thanks!



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scots pine literai

Post  alex e on Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:51 pm

Hi will, still along ways to go with the development of this potensia,
not sure its a " literati "though!, the bottom ,middle or apex on there
own maybe Exclamation should,nt literati be like,nd to the single stroke of a pen
or brush Question thanks for posting.

regards Alex e

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Vance Wood on Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:17 pm

alex e wrote:Hi will, still along ways to go with the development of this potensia,
not sure its a " literati "though!, the bottom ,middle or apex on there
own maybe Exclamation should,nt literati be like,nd to the single stroke of a pen
or brush Question thanks for posting.

regards Alex e

A Literati should have some of the attributes of calligraphy but if you take the definition to seriously the Literati would be void of branches.

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Velodog2 on Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:07 pm

I think you have done a nice job with this. It is definitely a tree with its eye on the future. When the age of the tree matches its design it will be very worthy of contemplation. In the meantime, I think the reason the pot works is perhaps that it lends a little bit of intererest and detail where the tree still falls a little short - a compensation, or balance. My very limited experience with Scots pine is that they age up relatively quickly, so I am looking forward to seeing this in the coming years.

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Scots pine lierati

Post  alex e on Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:49 pm

Vance Wood wrote:
alex e wrote:Hi Will, still along ways to go with the development of this potensia,
not sure its a " literati "though!, the bottom ,middle or apex on there
own maybe Exclamation should,nt literati be like,nd to the single stroke of a pen
or brush Question thanks for posting.

regards Alex e

A Literati should have some of the attributes of calligraphy but if you take the definition to seriously the Literati would be void of branches.

Hi Vance, Hence the reason the "literati" style is so called Rolling Eyes
regards Alex e


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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  gordonb on Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:55 am

Will himself called this a bunjin, and a Japanese artist told us [ at a workshop] that there is a diference between bunjin and literati, as the Japanese are different from the Chinese.

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Vance Wood on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:04 am

alex e wrote:
Vance Wood wrote:
alex e wrote:Hi Will, still along ways to go with the development of this potensia,
not sure its a " literati "though!, the bottom ,middle or apex on there
own maybe Exclamation should,nt literati be like,nd to the single stroke of a pen
or brush Question thanks for posting.

regards Alex e

A Literati should have some of the attributes of calligraphy but if you take the definition to seriously the Literati would be void of branches.

Hi Vance, Hence the reason the "literati" style is so called Rolling Eyes
regards Alex e

Could you define what a literati tree is for us, including the branches?

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Rob Kempinski on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:21 am

gordonb wrote:Will himself called this a bunjin, and a Japanese artist told us [ at a workshop] that there is a diference between bunjin and literati, as the Japanese are different from the Chinese.

Actually "literati" is the English translation based on the latin "literatus" and means "men of letters." Bunjin is Japanese reading of the Kanji characters which were originally Chinese and pronounced Wen ren (in one Chinese dialect) and surprisingly means "Men of letters." Sometimes called in English "The Intelligentsia."

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Will Heath on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:26 am

Most people do not know that the Literati or Bunjing style of bonsai is the only style that was not created to mimic trees in nature, instead the style was developed to mimic the style of trees protrayed in paintings, the literati paintings. I explored the literati style in this article http://artofbonsai.org/feature_articles/literati.php and I am always inspired by the Penjing of Qingquan Zhao http://www.artofbonsai.org/galleries/zhao.php

Also unknown to many is that the words bunjin and literati literally mean the same thing, however Literati has come to denote traditional literati syling while bunjing leans more toward the penjing (Chinese) interpretation of the style.

alex e,

I would be greatly interested in hearing your thoughts on the future devvelopment you see is needed in this tree. You said that you would not consider it a literati, what exactly would you do to this tree, if it was on your bench?

Velodog2,

Thanks.



Will


EDIT: I see Rob beat me to the punch on the literati/bunjing definitions, but he did it much better. (Thanks Rob)

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Rob Kempinski on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:30 am

Will Heath wrote:
EDIT: I see Rob beat me to the punch on the literati/bunjing definitions, but he did it much better. (Thanks Rob)
No problem Will, Lots of misinformation on the internet and in clubs. Most people forget or don't know what we call "bonsai" was originally a Chinese art.

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Scots pine "literati"

Post  alex e on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:51 pm

Hi Will,
Thanks for asking,not knowing the dimensions of the tree i see a very
feminine tree, my first image would be using only the first branch
as is, then creating an apex & one main pad,discarding the now apex
and jin the now middle section.

Image two, jin the now first branch then using the second branch as a single
pad, third branch as a single pad & apex again jin above this.

Image three, the now first,second & third branches shortened & jin with
the now apex create two pads and new apex.
Cool Cool Cool hope this helps Wink

best regards Alex e

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  bhellige47 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:23 pm

I would remove the 2nd and 3rd branches, develop the top as the apex, and create shari out of the "removed" branches. That is my minimalist opinion. I have also read (keep the internet misinformation in mind) that a literati is a representation of the creator, the wayward spirit living within the artist. If that translates to what is in the pot now, keep it all!

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Will Heath on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:10 pm

Thanks for the thoughts, how about some virts? Wink



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Scots pine "literati"

Post  alex e on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:14 am

Hi again Will, re; the virts, unfortunately my computer skills are far removed
from my bonsai skills, I am sure it,s not rocket science Rolling Eyes would be more
than happy to learn though Cool {wait for it} then I could show you what I
had in mind for your tree

cheers Alex

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:44 am

very nice...well done
i love these kind of shapes...really
like the olds mountains trees
your work is so well...i don t see something else than this drawing
exactly your work but in few years...

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Re: Scots Pine Literati

Post  Rob Kempinski on Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:35 pm

cram wrote:very nice...well done
i love these kind of shapes...really
like the olds mountains trees
your work is so well...i don t see something else than this drawing
exactly your work but in few years...

Nice drawing Cram.
I'd like to see the bottom branch thicker.

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Brook Zhoa and Literati

Post  gman on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:17 pm

Hi Will, speaking of Brook Zhoa, he lead workshops and did a demo at the recent (last weekend) 20th PNWBCA convention hosted in Victoria BC. As you can imagine his book was a hot seller and his workshops/demo were jammed full with onlookers like me.
Here is a picture (poor quality- hotel corridor) of his tree just before it was auctioned off, it sold for C$880 or so and is now somewhere in Washington state.
It was very tall about 60” or so……is it a double Literati style or does it have a different name if there are two trees?
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