The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  arihato on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:06 pm

I have been using sacrificial branches to grow me ShoHin Larches, with much success.
This Larch was cut back to one bud + sacrificial branch this spring.


CRW_7554 by Arihato, on Flickr

Now it has grown the beginning of a nice new trunk


IMG_2147 by Arihato, on Flickr

The result of well placed sb's, this tree was potted up, this spring (out of its basket)


IMG_2125 by Arihato, on Flickr

Frau Graubaeck, my Japanese rose (Rosa fujiyama) has not grown as large as yours, but this is the first year it did grow this long a shoot.


IMG_2424 by Arihato, on Flickr

My question is though what do I do with the shoot and when??? Can I leave it on and make cuttings in spring, or is it better to remove it in autumn after the leaves have fallen?
She has flowered nicely this year 5 flowers, white with nice perfume, this was the last one at the end of summer


IMG_2084 by Arihato, on Flickr

Not perfect anymore but it smelled just as good.

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:22 pm

Hi Arihato

Your larix look realy nice, it will become a nice shohin very soon Smile 

I took off the long sacrificebranch, when it did not grow in the length any more...this was, for letting the rest of the trenght go to the maintree...I wanted to make shure it did not weaken.

I also had 5 flowers, they are lovely....I made 4 cuttings during the summer, and they all grow. they was just 4 or 5 leafes stalks, taken from the shapetrimming of the crown.
If the long sacrificebranch will root if shortened?...I dont know, it is worth the try, or just do it next year, with new shots.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Trident maple sacrifice branches

Post  Marty Weiser on Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:15 pm

I have been using sacrifice branches for the last 3 years to develop a little taper and wound closure after I cut back the top of a trident maple. The first picture shows the current status with a pair of 4+ foot (1.2 m) long sacrifice branches (750 ml wine bottle for scale). They will be cut back to a couple of internodes for winter storage. The white items at the base of the tree are the clips I used to hold some root grafts in place during the 2011 repot. And yes there are bar branches. I am keeping them now to make sure the roots on all sides do well, but will be cutting them back over the next year or two as the other branches on the side that gets cut become stronger.




This is the wound from the 2012 sacrifice branch and the location of the pair of 2013 sacrifice branches. The new leader has been wired upright on the right hand side of the image.



This is the wound from the 2011 sacrifice branch.The new leader is on the left, the current sacrifice branches are at the top, and I am holding a side branch out of the way. I will cut back this all back with a tapering cut to the new leader and side branch in the spring after the buds have pushed.



Finally, here is the wound from 2010 when I cut the top off the tree and started the process. It is a long, tapering cut on the back of the tree. You can also see the new back branch that I thread grafted through the edge of the scar in 2012.



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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:59 pm

Hi marty

Your tree is nice and big, it will have a great future, already nice...having the two large sacrificegranches in the top is a good idea ...
I have some Acer Nikko's, I also want to grow big like your tree, 4 at the moment, but will start up  more next year...did this taperwork on many smaller trees, and found it can be a problem if sacrificebranches become too fat on the part of a tree I want to use later... they can give a unwanted inverted taper or bulge when callus form...and it takes a lot to outgrow them

Good luck with your tree...hope for more updates next year.

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Leo Schordje on Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:35 pm

Yvonne & Arihato
your roses look great, Yvonne's photo earlier this summer inspired me to pick up a couple roses. The goal is to eventually work them into shohin size or maybe slightly larger trees. They are both hybrids, but they are not grafted, they are on their own roots. It will be interesting to see if how they develop.

Last week on a walk I pick some hips (fruit with seeds) of our local native wild prairie rose, it is most likely Rosa arkansana, or Rosa carolina, or maybe Rosa acicularis or Rosa virginia. It is difficult to identify our native 'prairie' roses to species. They all stay small, usually under 1/2 meter, or less than 18 inches. The prairie roses are likely best for kusamono. The species growing locally has a long bloom season, from May through into August. It often stays less than 12 inches tall (0.3 meters) and foliage often has a red flush, with more brilliant red fall colors. The fruit, hips, are medium in size, scarlet-orange-red, and persist all winter. Could be nice if I get germination. Can't dig whole plants from the park, that would get me a serious fine $$$.

But thanks for inspiring me to look into another group of plants.

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:35 pm

Hi Leo

Please take a look at this page...
http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t13226-a-rose-for-the-ladies?highlight=ladies

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  arihato on Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:44 pm

Leo a small rose as an incentive:


IMG_0534 by Arihato, on Flickr

This little rose is about 15 years old, flowers every year, is about 12-15 cm tall. It was one those little roses that are on sale at mothers day, I gave this one to my mother and when it had finished flowering she gave it back so I could see if I wanted to do something with it.
I treat them like ordinary roses, cut back in autumn, no N till the first flowers (helps reduce mildew).

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  jsonacob on Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:27 am

Its really funny to see the overgrown sacrificial branches.

But recently I also experienced the not so fun part. Here in our place we got some heavy rains for the past few days and 2 of the sacrificial branches in one of my trees got snapped and I learned a valuable lesson hehe..

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:43 am

Tried snapped cacrificebranches too....learned it a coulple of years ago...could have warned you..sorry.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  jsonacob on Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:48 am

Hehe those poor branches just became like a tuition fee for our learning.

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:07 am

Smile 

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Leo Schordje on Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:25 pm

sweet roses, thanks Arihato

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:21 am

This is how two of my trees from page 1 look now...

As I wanted the plant to go from being a kusamono to a shohin, is sacrificebranches still a good thing to use...the red stripes show were there now is two strong shots comming from the trunk...they will grow free for the rest of the summer, and add to the trunksice


The spirea is a tricky little thing, but will become a sweet shohin soon, having theese small leaves...I am not planning more sacrificebranches for this one.

How are your trees  progressing?

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:20 am

The spring and summer has ben awesome up to now  Smile 


On the first photo from page 1 was the bark loose and old and would peel off, it is now replaced with solid trunk...because of the rapid growth will it take a while before the bark settle dawn and grow old again.

I will have many flowers this year...the scent is oldfashioned rose...lovely

Maybe I can use the former kusamono as shohin next year, that would be great  Cool 

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Re: The fun of the use of sacrificebranches, when developing bonsai

Post  Guest on Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:37 pm

First of all...I hope Arihatos trees is being cared of, now he have left us....


Last year did the rose have 2 places on the trunk, from vere buds, very useful for sacrificebrances had emerged...I wanted to use both, but learned the tree only had power to grow one of them long...the bud closest to the roots won

This year does it have 3 spots from were nicely placed buds for sacrificebranches grow...I know better this year, and remove the  two lowest placed, and let the last grow looong....the rose is 12 cm tall now, and will soon be a nice shohin.
By the way...I purcased a  tiny red minirose in Japan. It has a lot of growing up to do Smile


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