Japanese Black Pine Over Rock - need Pot Ideas

Rob Kempinski Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:35 am

These are two Japanese Black Pine bonsai I grew from seed since 2002 - so almost 9 years. They are now attached to a rock that I bought from Harold Harvey, noted Florida bonsaist and rock collector, before he passed away. I think he said the rock came from one of the USA's deserts. The first shot is before work and the next is after thinning, wiring and slight revision to the front. I wonder if there are any ideas for a new pot? It's still a few years from being ready for a show - the taller tree is a bit slow - so I have time to find a good pot. The current pot is a inexpensive Chinese pot. The seeds came via E-Bay. Razz

Before work tonight
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After thinning and wiring. Note I rotated the tree a bit to change the front.
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A close up of the roots on the rock from the front.
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And from the back.
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Rob Kempinski Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:20 am

Here's a virtual with a possibility - Pot by Ron Lang of the USA.

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marcus watts Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:42 am

hi, excelent to see nice pines from seed,
for me it would be a nice rugged slab - either hunt one out ot have a go at making it maybe - the floor tile cement is quite easy to work with.

If you want a more traditional pot a shallow rugged 'wobbly' oval, cracked edges etc - oxide type finish - that lovely mixture of gunmetal and grey/black.

For the years of effort you've put in I'd treat the tree to a Dan Barton creation - then you would have a truely unique tree/pot combination to show with pride.
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Japanese Black Pine Over Rock - need Pot Ideas Dscn2215-copy-s

i pasted this picture from Dans web site of the type of thing i had in mind

Lukasz Czarnecki Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:52 am

Hello Rob - all of your tree are really awesome Smile

I made this three virtuals - maybe will be useful

Regards
Lukasz

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Japanese Black Pine Over Rock - need Pot Ideas Virt3

Japanese Black Pine Over Rock - need Pot Ideas Virt2

Gwyther Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:59 pm

Hi Rob

Really great composition and very cool that you grew them from seed !!

How about a slab like this.

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Cheers

Vic

Rob Kempinski Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:42 pm

marcus watts wrote:hi, excelent to see nice pines from seed,
for me it would be a nice rugged slab - either hunt one out ot have a go at making it maybe - the floor tile cement is quite easy to work with.

If you want a more traditional pot a shallow rugged 'wobbly' oval, cracked edges etc - oxide type finish - that lovely mixture of gunmetal and grey/black.

For the years of effort you've put in I'd treat the tree to a Dan Barton creation - then you would have a truely unique tree/pot combination to show with pride.

i pasted this picture from Dans web site of the type of thing i had in mind

Might be pretty cool. How far is Dan from Scotland? - I'm going there is a few weeks.

Rob Kempinski Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:46 pm

Lukasz Czarnecki wrote:Hello Rob - all of your tree are really awesome

I made this three virtuals - maybe will be useful

Regards
Lukasz

Thanks Lukasz - I like this one best using the traditional pot. It seems to really hug the composition.

Thanks.

Rob Kempinski Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:49 pm

Gwyther wrote:Hi Rob

Really great composition and very cool that you grew them from seed !!

How about a slab like this.

Cheers

Vic

Vic that is a wild pot - where did you find it?
This composition seems to be begging for something different, one problem might be the rock is actually fairly substantial under the soil. The tree will either need to be raised more or a deeper pot.

As for growing from seeds, if take about 10 years to make decent shohin JBP from seeds so if anyone has 10 years to go, give seeds a try. They are a lot of fun.

Lukasz Czarnecki Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:15 pm

I think its a Harry Harington's pot :
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marcus watts Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:09 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:Might be pretty cool. How far is Dan from Scotland? - I'm going there is a few weeks.

Dan is about 500 miles from Scotland ! but you would need to order the pot especially as nearly all his pots are made to order I believe, often a specific pot for a specific tree....

if he's reading this he may suggest an idea or two.....it would be nice to see what he thinks would suit the tree

Gwyther Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:29 am

Hi Rob

Actually it is one of mine, i have done have several like this. I made one for Harry's Hawthorn and he showed it on his gallery, it caused quite a bit of interest. I see what you're saying about the rock, maybe something like this pot but with a bit more depth.

I have grown a number of decidous trees from seed but never a JBP, i might give it a go !

Cheers
Vic

Gwyther Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:41 am

Hi Rob

Here is a deeper one with a more rugged finish.

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Cheers

Vic

William N. Valavanis Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:28 pm

Rob,

Interesting pine and well done, especially when grown and trained from seed in Florida!

I like the bonsai, but none of the pots which have been selected. They seem too shallow for my taste. This bonsai needs a deeper and more massive pot to balance the composition. Also the color was a bit too dark and many of the pots were too busy with the texture which would blend with the bark texture, rather than contrast with it.

Here is my quick idea of a suggested pot for your bonsai.

Bill

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Rob Kempinski Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:14 am

William N. Valavanis wrote:Rob,

Interesting pine and well done, especially when grown and trained from seed in Florida!

I like the bonsai, but none of the pots which have been selected. They seem too shallow for my taste. This bonsai needs a deeper and more massive pot to balance the composition. Also the color was a bit too dark and many of the pots were too busy with the texture which would blend with the bark texture, rather than contrast with it.

Here is my quick idea of a suggested pot for your bonsai.

Bill

Thanks for the idea Bill, a semi-cascade pot may be the ticket. I actually had one very similar but it recently fell off its stand and broke while I was away on business.
It had a tree in it but that could have been switched.

Gwyther Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:43 pm

Hi Rob

Here are the pictures -

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Gwyther Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:45 pm

Gwyther Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:46 pm

Japanese Black Pine Over Rock - need Pot Ideas R510

Japanese Black Pine Over Rock - need Pot Ideas R610

Cheers

Vic

Rob Kempinski Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:03 pm

Gwyther wrote:Hi Rob

Here are the pictures -

I like it.

rock Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:13 am

Rock wrote:This one is still my favorite of the bunch. The upright tree almost cancels the semi cascade ness of the second tree...Its almost like a first branch

Budi Sulistyo Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:22 am

William N. Valavanis wrote:Rob,

Interesting pine and well done, especially when grown and trained from seed in Florida!

I like the bonsai, but none of the pots which have been selected. They seem too shallow for my taste. This bonsai needs a deeper and more massive pot to balance the composition. Also the color was a bit too dark and many of the pots were too busy with the texture which would blend with the bark texture, rather than contrast with it.

Here is my quick idea of a suggested pot for your bonsai.

Bill

So far it is my favorite. Very nice Bill.
Budi

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