Identifying a Plant ~ PA
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JimLewis
Kiyalynn
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Identifying a Plant ~ PA
I live in Somerset Pennsylvania USA, and have a very pretty twin trunk young tree. I'm having a very hard time figuring out what it is; I had thought it to be part of the maple family because of Palmately Lobed leaves. However, The leaves are alternate of each other not opposite. Leaves start red to brownish red and turn green as they get older. Twigs are blood red, but the older parts of the trunk are greyish brown. I'm unsure of the color on a older tree, this one is quite young. The tree (or bush maybe) was found in a garden, it is possible the plant is not native to PA, but it is capable of surviving here.
Any ideas on what it might be would be helpful as I can look them up and compare.
I hope I Have provided enough Info... Thank you for your time.
Kiyalynn
Any ideas on what it might be would be helpful as I can look them up and compare.
I hope I Have provided enough Info... Thank you for your time.
Kiyalynn
Kiyalynn- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
A picture -- of a leaf (a scanner works great) and a branch with several leaves, and the bark of a mature tree would be a big help.
JimLewis- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
Ok theres a scan of a Lower branch I cut off, The leaf up in the corner was midway down that branch on the back, I cut it off because I didn't want it to overlap. Notice the Red trunk and red top most leaf. Quarter was added to show size of these leaves. Bigger leaves do show more distint three parts but I dont want to damage my plant. I hope this helps. And thank you JimLewis for suggesting scanner!
Kiyalynn- Member
Identifying a Plant
Indeed, probably good bonsai material. Is it still in the ground? Does it bloom? For a positive ID, take a piece to the Phipps Conservatory. (Be sure to see the Welwitschia.) They have a pretty good bonsai collection, & there is a club in the area.
Iris
Iris
bonsaisr- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
Thank you everyone for responding.
I now belive it to be a Hawthorn Maple tree. I'm unsure of blooms, I should ask My aunt-in-law if her larger one blooms.
Its currently in a pot on my front porch, where it gets little direct sunlight but plenty of indirect. Its 15in tall with twin pea sized trunks (one quite a bit shorter than the other).
I'm thinking I will move it directly into a Bonsai Pot and start it small.
I now belive it to be a Hawthorn Maple tree. I'm unsure of blooms, I should ask My aunt-in-law if her larger one blooms.
Its currently in a pot on my front porch, where it gets little direct sunlight but plenty of indirect. Its 15in tall with twin pea sized trunks (one quite a bit shorter than the other).
I'm thinking I will move it directly into a Bonsai Pot and start it small.
Kiyalynn- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
Kiyalynn wrote: I now belive it to be a Hawthorn Maple tree.
A what??????????
Russell Coker- Member
Hmmmm
There is a Hawthorn- leaved Maple ( Acer crataegifolium ) , but that is NOT it .... it looks like a Crabapple to me .
Jim McIntyre- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
Sure would be nice to know if it's a tree or shrub. That makes a lot of difference. Something tells me this is a shrub and not a tree. I agree that it's not Acer crataegifolium.
Randy
Randy
Randy_Davis- Member
Identifying a Plant
Patience. That may be a mistake. Please show us a picture of the whole plant first.Kiyalynn wrote:
I'm thinking I will move it directly into a Bonsai Pot and start it small.
It would be better if you grow it in the ground until the trunk is an inch thick. Once you have it in a bonsai pot the trunk will stay skinny forever.
Iris
bonsaisr- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
Randy_Davis wrote: I agree that it's not Acer crataegifolium.
It's not an Acer anything, period! I'm sticking with crabapple.
Russell Coker- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
Is it possible to thicken the trunk in a large pot rather than putting it straight in a bonsai pot? I'm very worried that a harsh winter will just kill all my seedlings if I plant them all outside. I live in PA in a valley between two moutain ski resorts... and ussualy get 2-5 feet over the winter.bonsaisr wrote:Patience. That may be a mistake. Please show us a picture of the whole plant first.Kiyalynn wrote:
I'm thinking I will move it directly into a Bonsai Pot and start it small.
It would be better if you grow it in the ground until the trunk is an inch thick. Once you have it in a bonsai pot the trunk will stay skinny forever.
Iris
Edit- Second question, Will the twin trunks remain as they get bigger or tend to merge together?
Last edited by Kiyalynn on Tue May 31, 2011 3:09 am; edited 1 time in total
Kiyalynn- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
I still am not sure what it is. I was pretty sure the rooted branch I have was the only crab apple I picked up, they are not the same type of plant looking at them here. I 'could' Of mixed up witch one was the crab apple. However the other Plant I have that I belive is a crab apple has the remnets of little berry seeds, With a more round leaf brown turning to green. Witch just puzzles me. The leaves reminded me of the maple family as I set to classify my Sugar Maple. Maybe I should try looking into shrubs, That could be the problem.
Kiyalynn- Member
Identifying a Plant
Kiyalynn,
Before you make any bonsai plans with this plant, it is important to get it properly identified. Hawthorns and maples are from entirely different families. Their growth habits and response to bonsai culture are different. You need to know what to expect from them.
If it comes down to a question of whether this is a hawthorn or a crabapple, you will know how to proceed. They are rather closely related, both in the rose family, and the beginning of their bonsai training will be the same. If this plant has alternate leaves, it is definitely not a maple.
Iris
Before you make any bonsai plans with this plant, it is important to get it properly identified. Hawthorns and maples are from entirely different families. Their growth habits and response to bonsai culture are different. You need to know what to expect from them.
If it comes down to a question of whether this is a hawthorn or a crabapple, you will know how to proceed. They are rather closely related, both in the rose family, and the beginning of their bonsai training will be the same. If this plant has alternate leaves, it is definitely not a maple.
Iris
bonsaisr- Member
Identifying a Tree
You are in USDA hardiness zone 5. Your plants will be fine in the winter if you keep them in a sheltered area protected from excessive wind and blowing snow. A gentle snow blanket is exactly what they need.Kiyalynn wrote: I'm very worried that a harsh winter will just kill all my seedlings if I plant them all outside. I live in PA in a valley between two moutain ski resorts... and usually get 2-5 feet over the winter.
We can't answer that question without a picture. If the bottoms of the trunks are touching now, they will eventually grow together, which is fine.Kiyalynn wrote: Second question, Will the twin trunks remain as they get bigger or tend to merge together?
Iris
bonsaisr- Member
Re: Identifying a Plant ~ PA
(I really wish I had a digital camera, Getting one soon)bonsaisr wrote:We can't answer that question without a picture. If the bottoms of the trunks are touching now, they will eventually grow together, which is fine.
Iris
The trunks are touching use right above thier roots (I burried the merge in the current pot), both come from the same set of roots.
Kiyalynn- Member
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