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Post  wabashene Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:53 pm

Dave Martin wrote:For those living near Dorset try Roffeys of Bournemouth www.roffey.ltd.uk for Pine bark. They do a 75 litre bag for about £9. It is sold as Melcourt pine bark available in a number of grades for bonsai purposes propagating grade is the best. Virtually no waste no sieving and very long lasting.

BandQ Soil Conditioner is/used to be composted bark and is pretty handy to put that touch of organic into your mix without too much fiddling around.

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Post  Mike Jones Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:35 pm

My Maples are in similar. I have used a similar mix for decades and they have remained pictures of health. As follows.

Sifted and graded Akadama (never tried cat litter) larger particles to the lower area, content % at a guess (ish) around 50%

Used to use Kyodama but now use marine aqua-grit. 25-30% content

As already mentioned the finest (IMHO) propogating bark is by Melcourt, waste is minimal and this is one fine product. 10-15%

No good at sums, but the balance would be some frit (trace elements) calcified seaweed and some chopped sphagnum moss, oh and some Naruko if I have any at the time of repotting.

I mix it dry. Place a layer of grit on the base of the pot (if I remember, usually just as I put the finishing touches...sigh) and finally I top dress with the smaller Akadama particles; that way I can remove the top layer and redress if showing etc.

The above is what I do with Maples.

Others will no doubt say it is to fussy, but I find the entire process very therapeutic, coffee or 'other' by the side, traditional oriental music softly playing in the background ...ahhhh, life just couldn't be better Very Happy

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Post  roberthu526 Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:44 pm

Pure sand is fine just remeber to use corse and fine sand together. You will be amazed how the root grows in 6-month. I have had this experience with four of my tridents. Also sand is easy to remove. You just lift up the tree and shake, everything will drop off and leave only the roots so you can work well with them. Just one thing, fertilize them regularly, like other inorganic medium, sand doesn't hold nutrition and water well like akadama or lava rock, so you have to fertilize more. Other than that I think sand is a fine medium. All my four tridents grew in sand had over two feet long fine roots in just six months. Maybe sand can even cure bald......
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Post  R3mco Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:59 pm

I have bad experience using sand in bonsai soil.
It gets infected with ants quite quickly.

As i live in the Netherlands, it's almost the same soggy weather in England, so using a quick draining soil is the best.
I prefer lava (black, hard) with akadama (1 part lava, 2 parts akadama).

The trees in organic soil have problems (lots!!!), the trees in akadama have almost no problems ...

I have tried cat litter as well (i have cats, so its cheap both ways), but i wasnt fond of the colour (white-ish).

As far as Acer Palmatum goes, after the 1st year in the pot in akadama, nice moss appears on it because its breaking down and attracting spores more easily, so thats my no.1 choice atm.

Hope it helps Wink
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Post  marcus watts Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:33 am

hi,
you firstly need to decide how wet your winters are, how much dry wind your garden will recieve in summer and how deep a pot you are going to use., along with the position in your gargden you keep the trees - prevailing wind, hrs of direct sunlight, hrs of shade etc

i'm in Cornwall so have very wet winters and generally moister than average air blowing in summer, along with some large old acer bonsai.
The most important thing is that the soil must retain enough moisture to supply every leaf on the hottest, windiest day - otherwise they will crisp on the edges in one single afternoon. While the tree is in leaf and actively growing it will draw lots of water but come winter water uptake is virtually nil so roots will rot if the soil mix remains waterlogged, but this is more easily sorted pre winter than using a soil that dries out too much in the summer and ruins the tree's leaves.

1) hot days - dry winters....pure akadama but feed properly, no nutrients in this soil - SE england, not Cornwall haha
2) as your regional winter gets wetter add kiryu or grit to the akadama, up to 40% grit to combat very wet winters but watch summer drying out (feed properly too)
3) For my trees it is essential (to me) the leaves remain perfect so i use 70% Akadama, 25% kiryu, 5% fresh chopped sphagnum moss. Set the pot up properly though - seive the grades and make sure the drainage layer is the largest particles to avoid holding too much water standing low in the pot. - The moss/akadama combination holds plenty of moisture for the roots and leaves, but for winter I tilt all my large flat oval pots so excess water drains quickly, and in the past i've covered the soil with plastic sheeting so excess water runs out quickly when you get a week or two of solid rain.

personally (not wanting to start an off topic debate) cat litter is for cats to poop in, akadama, grit, kiryu, kanuma, bark, moss, etc etc is to grow bonsai in - and i havent seen any very good trees growing and thriving in cat litter yet, normally it is used when poeple say import soils are too expensive - to use on their expensive pride and joy trees !!!! scratch scratch

Acers are very hardy though if you dont rot them in the winter below the soil, if the leaves crisp up it wont kill the ttree. just learn from it, reposition the tree in your garden and either water more or adjust the soil mix next time to hold more water
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