Mugo Pine Needs A New Look

Victrinia Ridgeway Wed May 19, 2010 5:35 am

So I've had this tree for a few years now... and I'm very fond of it... but it seems like there is a better tree within.. so I'm toying with radically changing it. Smile

The first photo is how it looks at the moment, and the second is how it might look...? Other thoughts and virts are always welcomed.

Mugo Pine Needs A New Look Mugo

Thanks for taking a peek...

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

Pavel Slovák Wed May 19, 2010 7:48 am

Hi Victrinia.
Nice grown tree. Very Happy

Unfortunately you can not see the tree structure.
What is certain is that the tribe is now very subtle and to downsize the tree. I cleared the tree, and re-shot (multiple views) to show how the branches.

Pavel

Mike Jones Wed May 19, 2010 9:55 am

I sort of agree with Pavel, but I personally think that you have sufficient structure on view at the bottom end of the tree. Once the top has thickened, you could then remove to show more. Like it though.

Mike

Jarrod Wed May 19, 2010 9:58 am

I think the virtual is good Victrinia, And I would like to see it also lent over to the left about 30 degrees, as a semi cascade. Nice little tree how it is though.

alex e Wed May 19, 2010 10:59 am

Hi Victrinia,I have put the sketch together by making the assumptions
as to the the branch structure I can make out from your photo, my
scale is all wrong Embarassed

but as I have said before Monet or Peter Adams
I am not

but perhaps the sketch will give some where to go with the
tree, you will see I have removed the first 2 branches & jin/shari ,this I think
will give the tree height,opening out & thinning the foliage I think will give it an
elegance, only my opinion of course.

best regards Alex e :ThumbsUp

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Victrinia Ridgeway Wed May 19, 2010 4:08 pm

Thanks for the replies gentlemen... The tree is a tricky one in that the structure does go strongly left only to sweep back to the right to make the top pad of the crown. It's something I haven't loved about the tree, which is why if I take the right side visual weight, and give it a very left movement, I can get the tree to it's apex in a more realistic way, and not be a trick of the eye.

I'll take a few more photos today of the structure so you can have a sense of it. I should have thought to do that, but I was just taking advantage of some evening light to take some quick and dirty photos of trees this spring. Smile

Your thoughts are deeply appreciated as well as the drawing... thumbs up

I think seeing more of it will help enhance the conversation as well.

It also occured to me that if I treat this tree correctly it may look fabulous on an antique rootstand I have... I'll have to show you that too... as it may change your toughts. Very Happy

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

**fiona** Wed May 19, 2010 4:29 pm

What height is the tree, Victrinia?

mike page Wed May 19, 2010 5:13 pm

Hi Ms Vic
I would like to do a virtual, but your first picture cut off some of the right side of the pine.
I think the tree would be greatly improved if there were some areas where one could see through. The solid foliage gives it a somewhat flat appearance.

Best Regards

Mike

**fiona** Wed May 19, 2010 5:17 pm

My two cents worth:

On the basis of the pics provided I see the tree as out of shape, especially in the apex. A tidy up of the overall shape would make a noticeable difference:

But if you wanted to go on with the drastic change plan, I'm seeing two options: the first is pretty much what you already showed but reduced/tidied at the sides a bit more.

The second takes the top of the tree off altogether.

As I say, just what I'm seeing from the pics provided. And bear in mind that all/any of the above would include a thinning out of the foliage just as everyone is suggesting.

**fiona** Wed May 19, 2010 5:20 pm

mike page wrote: ... your first picture cut off some of the right side of the pine...

Mike, when you click "Save Picture As" you should get the whole image. Or at least, it worked for me!

mike page Wed May 19, 2010 5:33 pm

fiona wrote:
mike page wrote: ... your first picture cut off some of the right side of the pine...
Mike, when you click "Save Picture As" you should get the whole image. Or at least, it worked for me!

Thanks, Fiona. Good tip! This old dawg learned something new today! Very Happy

Best regards

Mike

mike page Wed May 19, 2010 6:16 pm

Here's another approach to the mugo.

Mike Jones Wed May 19, 2010 7:05 pm

fiona wrote:My two cents worth:

On the basis of the pics provided I see the tree as out of shape, especially in the apex. A tidy up of the overall shape would make a noticeable difference:

But if you wanted to go on with the drastic change plan, I'm seeing two options: the first is pretty much what you already showed but reduced/tidied at the sides a bit more.

Fiona

How the heck do you do that? What programme are you using? Is it something like GIMP or Adobe PS?

Mike

The second takes the top of the tree off altogether.

As I say, just what I'm seeing from the pics provided. And bear in mind that all/any of the above would include a thinning out of the foliage just as everyone is suggesting.

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 2:17 am

fiona wrote:What height is the tree, Victrinia?

About 12 inches from the soil... not terribly tall...

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 2:18 am

mike page wrote:Hi Ms Vic
I would like to do a virtual, but your first picture cut off some of the right side of the pine.
I think the tree would be greatly improved if there were some areas where one could see through. The solid foliage gives it a somewhat flat appearance.

Best Regards

Mike

Excellent point my friend... it has not yet been thinned for the year... It's a very vigorous tree. bounce

V

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 2:24 am

fiona wrote:My two cents worth:

On the basis of the pics provided I see the tree as out of shape, especially in the apex. A tidy up of the overall shape would make a noticeable difference:

But if you wanted to go on with the drastic change plan, I'm seeing two options: the first is pretty much what you already showed but reduced/tidied at the sides a bit more.

The second takes the top of the tree off altogether.

As I say, just what I'm seeing from the pics provided. And bear in mind that all/any of the above would include a thinning out of the foliage just as everyone is suggesting.

Fiona...

Many thanks for taking the time to give your very valueable "change" Very Happy

I agree the apex needs to be adjusted if I am going to keep it as it is for the main... and I have also agree it would be better served to not be so wide. That's one of the reasons I'm looking at it... in for a penny in for a pound... if I am going to restyle it, then having a more dramatic transformation may address some of the areas I have been dissatisfied with.

I have to say I am very intrigued by your third suggestion as well... that's a very interesting concept as well. I'll take a look at it and see if it's producable based on the branch structure... it just may be.

Thanks again...

Victrinia

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 2:28 am

mike page wrote:Here's another approach to the mugo.

I'll have to give you a peek at it's "problem area"... the trunk does not move in a way that would allow me to have a conventional top. Rolling Eyes

I do so appreciate your efforts though... thank you...

V

jersanct Thu May 20, 2010 6:40 am

I cast my vote for Fiona's third virtual, as well. In fact, I cast four votes. Possibly with a subtle jin poking from the top of the canopy.

**fiona** Thu May 20, 2010 6:55 am

Good idea Jersanct - I might just have a go at a virt of that after I get back from dog walking.

boon Thu May 20, 2010 8:07 am

It is a nice old tree. it looks like, it has been training for several years.
i think it is good idea to remove the lower right branch. convert it into jin might make it look even older. jin can be removed later if you do not like it.
these are the weak points that i see from the picture:-
the crown is too wide and too dense. --thin and cut back
the apex seems to fall backward.(the tree lean toward the back instead of leaning toward the front) -- reposition when repot
the branches on the left side are also too dense. --thin and cut back
lower left branch is weak especially in the interior section. --leave it alone
back branch(s) is(are) not visible. --thinning some branches and separate the pads
to make it looks old create more sub pads. --wiring

this tree will make a really nice tree in a short period of time

wabashene Thu May 20, 2010 1:36 pm

Is this Victrinia (Ensor???) from the old BT site btw?

Welcome in any case.

Very Happy

thks

TimR

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 3:48 pm

wabashene wrote:Is this Victrinia (Ensor???) from the old BT site btw?

Welcome in any case.

thks

TimR

lol... I was like "Hey! I know that guy!" when I saw your name attached to the thread... good to see you again! Dale's been getting on my case for not posting here... so I decided to stick my toes in the water. There's a great crowd here... and awesome trees... very impressive. ThumbsUp

My last name changed... married a BT'er actually... cheers

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 3:54 pm

jersanct wrote:I cast my vote for Fiona's third virtual, as well. In fact, I cast four votes. Possibly with a subtle jin poking from the top of the canopy.

Dear one... your vote counts for like... oh I don't know.... 10? What a Face

Jin coming out the top... it would be a very natural thing to do... you know how I feel about deadwood. For that design image, that's a good call...

V

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 4:07 pm

boon wrote:It is a nice old tree. it looks like, it has been training for several years.
i think it is good idea to remove the lower right branch. convert it into jin might make it look even older. jin can be removed later if you do not like it.
these are the weak points that i see from the picture:-
the crown is too wide and too dense. --thin and cut back
the apex seems to fall backward.(the tree lean toward the back instead of leaning toward the front) -- reposition when repot
the branches on the left side are also too dense. --thin and cut back
lower left branch is weak especially in the interior section. --leave it alone
back branch(s) is(are) not visible. --thinning some branches and separate the pads
to make it looks old create more sub pads. --wiring

this tree will make a really nice tree in a short period of time

It is a nice old tree which has clearly been in training for some time (based on the inner structure you can't see). Ahhh but I'll fix that though... It would seem to me the best thing to do would be to thin it out and do some of the narrowing of the width... and then show that view to this fine company.

I will indeed start with jinning the right branch... it needs to go in any case... and it will be carved before any thought of complete removal. I don't like the idea of wasting an opportunity. When I erased it from the virtual, it was more with a mind of completely changing the image for the sake of radical change than anything.

I appreciate your advice and thoughts on it very much. I've always admired your work.

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

Victrinia Ridgeway Thu May 20, 2010 4:16 pm

fiona wrote:Good idea Jersanct - I might just have a go at a virt of that after I get back from dog walking.

w00t!

I would enjoy to see your thought on that.

Kindest regards,

Victrinia

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