sabina juniper

Hi,
I was lucky enough to find a sabina juniper at the Noelanders trophy last week end. I was even luckier it was in my price range.

Today at Dragon's Sunday workshop, we discussed it's pro's and con's.


Chris T suggested a "version" of my virtual. It seems a possible development, but time and my ability will tell.


I would appreciate your thoughts, virtuals, etc.

My pot is too small...........

What really sold this tree to me was this wonderful live vein elbow.


Doesn't take much to make me happy.

Excellent find, Jerry. Look forward to seeing the ongoing development.

Now, can you send some of the things (i.e. trees like this) that it takes to make you happy up my way please?

G'day Jeremy...

Strange sometimes what camera and angle will do with a bonsai...

Your third pix shows an ugly empty space...lower trunk...that prompts me to think that a rock would go well there. However, it doesn't show "ugly" in your other pix. Like I said, "camera/angle".

Your close up shows a face smack dab in the middle...with a two headed snake (dragon?) overhead. The "head" to the left looks something like a cross between a canine and a pig; at the other, the right, end, the "head" looks like the head/shoulders/front legs of a cat.

This is not ment to be criticism in any form...just what my ancient eyes pick up.

This is a wonderful bonsai in the making Jeremy, and one day soon it will be stunning...good find.

Pat…mounted on my trusted stead, riding off wildly in all directions…

Hi Fiona,
Noelanders trophy 2011, we can share them.

bonsaistud wrote:G'day Jeremy...
Strange sometimes what camera and angle will do with a bonsai...
Your third pix shows an ugly empty space...lower trunk...that prompts me to think that a rock would go well there. However, it doesn't show "ugly" in your other pix. Like I said, "camera/angle".

Hi bonsaistud,
Thank you for your comments.
I am glad this tree inspired you to see such a menagerie.

The base is a very powerful part of this tree. As yamadori it is not the perfect nabari, but it has a great deal of movement. This is a huge plus for me.
Is this the *ugly empty space"?
It is the back for the tree.


It isn't so bad in my eyes and it will be at the rear of the finished design. I'm not considering a stone.

A few more close-ups of the trunk and base.
The present front.


The right side.

This was a really special Juniper that you bought Jerry... BUT it took me a nights sleep to decide to buy mine. I will post pix at some time in the future... lets just say that it is the MOST money I have spent on a piece of raw material... BUT it is rather special

Good material Jeremy,hope you will keep us posted in the future what you made out off this outstanding material.
I hope more people post what they bought at the Noelanders Trophy,there was plenty off outstanding yamadori to buy at the bonsai-stands
Greetings Ed

Huah! Great material, Ed! I think you can coil up that foliage about anywhere.. with that great twisted trunk!!

Best,dorothy

I see you've had another facelift, Jerry! I liked the Bond villain one best.

Definately a very nice piece of material Geremy. Good luck and enjoy it, I look forward to it's out come.

ps Tony im dribbling in anticipation.

G'day Jerry...

Yes that's the area...extreme right of your photo, from the "elbow" to the soil...

I'm fully aware that there are a lot of features with yamadori that should not changed...I see far too many that, because of what the artist has done, look tooo polished and manicured...as if they just came the Styling and Manicure Botique.

Anyway, again I say, picture/angle/etc...and since it's the back...it doesn't much matter...

So, Jerry, I like your Sabina very much...looking forward to a stunning masterpiece.

All of the above, as always, is IMAFMHO (InMyAncientFeebleMindedHumbleOpinion)…

Pat…mounted on my trusted stead, riding off wildly in all directions…

bonsaistud wrote...I see far too many that, because of what the artist has done, look tooo polished and manicured...as if they just came the Styling and Manicure Botique

Hi bonsaistud,
Interesting you should say this.
My good friend Chris Thomas said the exact same thing to me yesterday, when we discussed the trees future possible development.

There are a lot of wonderful sabina's being worked on throughout Europe as we speak. If each one is styled in the same neat and polished way then I think we are missing something. I hope to explore that something ..... and then go for the neat and polished tree.

Ed van der Reek wrote:I hope more people post what they bought at the Noelanders Trophy,there was plenty off outstanding yamadori to buy at the bonsai-stands

This the other tree I bought at Noelanders XI

A chinese juniper.

Dear Jerry

Started to do a virt for You , but the photo is a bit to small.
Could You send this photo a bit bigger please ?
I like to do some mindcircles with this side as the front !
Kind regards
Morea

Started to do a virt for You , but the photo is a bit to small.
Could You send this photo a bit bigger please ?

Hi Morea,
I have sent to a few pictures to your home email.

You got a great stash to come home with.

Smithy wrote:You got a great stash to come home with.

Hi Smithy,
I think so, but then I'm biased.
It's my birthday today."Another year older and deeper in debt"
There was so much more I would have loved to have brought back as well. There is always 2011 and the Noelanders Trophy XII.

By the way Smithy, your open ended invite to Dragon's workshops is still open. Hope to see you again soon.

Excellent choices Jerry. Bet you can't wait to get stuck in

Happy Birthday!

Good trees Jerry look forward to seeing their progress

Noelanders seems like an age away now

Role on Swindon

All the best

Andy

Dear Jerry

Thank You , great , got all the photoos !!

The sabina You bought first has indeed the loaded neg. space
in the side You choose for backside.
This neg. space is for me very inspiring and interesting.
Makes the sabina different , makes one look twice !
And i love roaring neg. spaces !

Made You 2 virts :
* slanted , obvious styling , feels predictable and does not speak to me.


** semi cascade , with the deadwood hanging down , all heavy and dramatic.
The neg. space is a bit hidden but for me the loaded emptyness is still present.
Also drew a pot with it , the pot is like a tube , with a hole were the massive base
comes out to go hanging down.
This all in knarkie edges , like broken off .
The glazes running down in natural colors , light colors on the top,
getting darker towards the bottom to get the massive and stable contuniation.
I like this one , makes me smile !
Enjoy
Kind regards
Morea

G'day Morea...

Your "upside down" virtual puts it in a whole 'nother world...doesn't it?

Like it very much...

Your slanted style is also very lovely work...

Pat…mounted on my trusted stead, riding off wildly in all directions…

Hi Morea,
Thank you for your virtuals and for your enjoyable DSutch/Welsh story peice for Dragon's website.

I still prefer my front, but the back is very dramatic.
A cascade, wow, I hadn't considered that. The sabina has been in the pot for 3 years. When I reot it, then I know what is possible.
I have already said I do not want to create a over manicured tree, but a more dramatic image. What that will be will be decided another day.

The sabina seems very health, with clear growth evident. That being said, when would people consider repotting?

Lovely, lovely Raffle Prize Jerry!!!!

Seriously though, a fine piece of material. Now excuse me for being "Tim, Tim, nice but Dim" but what is the difference between a Sabina Juniper and the Chinese ones that I've seen and why does everyone go nuts over them? Don't get me wrong, I love this tree, but I need to understand better the differences between similar trees.

Speak soon Jerry,
Simon

Hi Simon,

"Lovely, lovely Raffle Prize Jerry!!!!"

My wife agrees.

"but what is the difference between a Sabina Juniper and the Chinese ones that I've seen and why does everyone go nuts over them?"

For me it's a few things.
1. Sabina are fine European yamadori.
2. When sabina are mature they have all the drama, movement live viens/dead wood, etc. that match the quality asian junipers.
3. The foliage is fine and makes, in time compact pads.
4. I can't afford a similar juniper from Asia. Even it you could import one, which at present you can't.
5. It was right in front of me and it was nearly my birthday.