yamadori pinus maximus

new scottish pines collected in spring..i might keep a couple in chest hight
vietnamese bonsai seems to bee big...but know is just to wait and water them for min 1.5 years

stoneage wrote:new scottish pines collected in spring..i might keep a couple in chest hight
vietnamese bonsai seems to bee big...but know is just to wait and water them for min 1.5 years

I am not sure what you are asking or at what stage of development you are at in your bonsai skills. How about having a discussion wth us instead of a couple of random statements and some teaser pictures of some not so bad material. At this point we just don't know if you know what you have and what to do with it..

what random pictures ? i collected yamadori scottich pines now in spring and just saying i must wait
that that the trees get establish in their pots before any pruning or wiring can be done..
im just in to bonsai for 2 years but im reading a lot of articles,check forums and info
for all diferent spices i got .i spend a lot of time and work on my collection (more than 40 trees)
most are pre bonsai and raw material..i dont know what you want vance wood...

stoneage wrote:what random pictures ? i collected yamadori scottich pines now in spring and just saying i must wait
that that the trees get establish in their pots before any pruning or wiring can be done..
im just in to bonsai for 2 years but im reading a lot of articles,check forums and info
for all diferent spices i got .i spend a lot of time and work on my collection (more than 40 trees)
most are pre bonsai and raw material..i dont know what you want vance wood...

Just forget I said anything I meant no offense.

Vance - this was posted under members trees and not questions...

sometimes people just want to slap them on the table for a look-see.

hmm..3 new pines collected from  a granit Mountain i got a good training from clibing too...no more this year!!!!


and this one from before, making new candles...and lookn fine the other pines also making new buds..candles

some good material in there...

going to need tender loving care for a couple years, of course

kevin stoeveken wrote:Vance - this was posted under members trees and not questions...

sometimes people just want to slap them on the table for a look-see.

That's no fun.
I don't have questions.
But I would be looking at cutting them down some.

all trees look like they have potential, in the first set of photos, the 2rd tree caught my eye as a good one, and the following ones are also very attractive material. The first would probably fit well with the style you mentioned, good job on IDing that piece for that style, searching for material with a certain style in mind closes doors and causes missed opportunity, having the vision is the biggest obstacle it seems. I am just personally not drawn to that particular style,

in the second set of photos, the shot showed a different view of the second tree, which my eye originally assumed had a little wiggle at soil level, but was hidden by foliage. After seeing that, i now see that you have an opportunity to attempt the illusive formal upright, it seems the taper may be sufficient, and the structure seems to be there. I think after the new needles harden you can think about a top reduction and branch selection since its growing strong. with luck you may be able to repot into a quality bonsai soil possibly by spring 18, but surely by needle harden time/ mid summer 18'.

the rest of them seem to have great features. I suggest trying differnt methods of training, styling, pruning, and growing with them. maybe put one in the ground, colander, grow bag, bonsai pot etc.. test a couple soil mixes, timing of pinching, pruning, reductions etc, timing of fertilizing, and types of fertilizing. In doing so you will gain first hand experience, and become more familiar with the species you seem to have ample access to. its one thing to read and listen to advice, but doing it yourself and analyzing the results, the how and why, will really give you a lot of information and personal data to draw from that will only increase your skills, methods, and vision for future collecting endeavors. all in all, well done sir.

tanx walter nice feedback...i follow some advise from bonsai4me.com
Pruning Pines A guide to the complexities of pruning Pine species for bonsai
so i been pinching some new candles to half sice
even if tree is newly replanted ,its growing well...i got a nice big rootball
when collected on bedrock + in a sand pit

Walter Freeman wrote:... ... its one thing to read and listen to advice, but doing it yourself and analyzing the results, the how and why, will really give you a lot of information and personal data to draw from that will only increase your skills, methods, and vision for future collecting endeavors. all in all, well done sir.

Very well said!

kevin stoeveken wrote:Vance - this was posted under members trees and not questions...

sometimes people just want to slap them on the table for a look-see.

Sometimes people go fishing for compliments and if they don't like what they catch they throw it out.

Vance Wood wrote:

kevin stoeveken wrote:Vance - this was posted under members trees and not questions...

sometimes people just want to slap them on the table for a look-see.

Sometimes people go fishing for compliments and if they don't like what they catch they throw it out.

I agree with Vance and I was unsure of the purpose of the tread?
Was it to as for stying advice and ideas or just a random , look what i found post? which for me is not what forums are for.

If you post an unrefined tree or stock, expect to get some suggestions, and Vance was just asking the above question to clarify IMHO

Ken

today i went 15 minutes from my house to one forest with a lot of rocsks and small mountains..
brother came a long, so we walked and looked...and found...some nice trees..hard terain..but
a good training.. pinus sylvestris 1 about 70 cm tall.. 6-7 cm trunk(2.5 inch)

pinus sylvestris 2 50 cm tall.. 6 cm trunk,,

pinus sylvestris 3  50 cm tall  5 cm -2 inch trunk..

best tool to bring to forest !! lets raid some trees..

wish I could collect Scots pines. Great species for bonsai and collected trees are the best.

Starting at the top of your post I think the trees in photos 1 and 2 are good stock. The trees in photos 3 and 4 are not interesting and look like nursery stock. The trees in the last post look good. Therefore I suggest you collect the old looking weather beaten trees.

Secondly I suggest not to work on collected conifers for 3 years minimum and 4 may be better. Lots of sun and moderate amount of feed and don't overwater. Protect properly during the winter.

Good luck,

Also, these are precious trees, treat them accordingly and don't collect too many.

rad !!!

nice find !

kcpoole wrote:

Vance Wood wrote:

kevin stoeveken wrote:Vance - this was posted under members trees and not questions...

sometimes people just want to slap them on the table for a look-see.

Sometimes people go fishing for compliments and if they don't like what they catch they throw it out.

I agree with Vance and I was unsure of the purpose of the tread?
Was it to as for stying advice and ideas or just a random , look what i found post? which for me is not what forums are for.

If you post an unrefined tree or stock, expect to get some suggestions, and Vance was just asking the above question to clarify IMHO

Ken

a thread under members trees needs no purpose other than to show a tree...

advice and questions are what the questions portion of the forum is for...

Interesting trees. Is it now the best time to collect pines?

leatherback hi maybee in germany better to wait untill start of september..heres a little cooler..
but best time is spring time april-may..
try move the tree a little...if lose easyer to get it up with a bigger rotball minimum like a thick pizza..
more easy on bedrock or sandy ground...then plant it water, fertilize for min 2 years..no pruning..
pruning wireing..after 4 years...or longer..
1 year make roots 2 year 3 year build foliage...im no expert but thats what walter pall and Ryan Neil (experts)
are saying if i got it right..

that is indeed a safe way to approach collected material...

Andy Smith of Golden Arrow Bonsai http://www.goldenarrowbonsai.com/goldenarrowbonsai.com/Home.html is also a renowned collector here in the states and he suggests leaving them in their first container for 2-3 years before repotting...
and then it should stay in that second pot for as long as possible, so choose well when deciding on that second pot !!!

i looked at Golden Arrow Bonsai pics..
great trees ..great prices!! if i was in usa i
would absolutly buy some...

i think you are in a better position where you can collect rather than buy !

and check your PMs !