Deshojo Maple by layering
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Bruce Winter
leatherback
-Daniel-
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Deshojo Maple by layering
Hello everyone ,
I had a maple branch cut in the garden, I decided to make one layer.
Layer 2009
... in October 2009 I cut the layer.
new roots..
clean the roots with water ...
..and a bit of healing on the cut trunk.
This picture is repotting in pot for cultivation.
Winter 2010
Spring 2011
Summer 2012
Spring 2013
Some details, trunk, nebari, leaves, Apex
This is the structure of the plant.
... and the end result in 2013.
..This is the last photo, summer 2013.
I haven't interesting photos in the year 2014, hopefully I'll update the post in 2015.
Enjoy and thank you all.
Ciao Daniel
I had a maple branch cut in the garden, I decided to make one layer.
Layer 2009
... in October 2009 I cut the layer.
new roots..
clean the roots with water ...
..and a bit of healing on the cut trunk.
This picture is repotting in pot for cultivation.
Winter 2010
Spring 2011
Summer 2012
Spring 2013
Some details, trunk, nebari, leaves, Apex
This is the structure of the plant.
... and the end result in 2013.
..This is the last photo, summer 2013.
I haven't interesting photos in the year 2014, hopefully I'll update the post in 2015.
Enjoy and thank you all.
Ciao Daniel
-Daniel-- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Hi Daniel,
That looks really good. I tried my hand on a deshojo last year. By November the roots were still only a few mm long. Do you have any tricks you used for the layer?
That looks really good. I tried my hand on a deshojo last year. By November the roots were still only a few mm long. Do you have any tricks you used for the layer?
leatherback- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Beautiful...thats the way to do it! I've never put anything on the cut end but it can't hurt.
Are we seeing Switzerland in the distance?
Thank you for this.
Are we seeing Switzerland in the distance?
Thank you for this.
Bruce Winter- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Thx. If I have to re-cut in spring, I will look at that mixture.
Do you have the plant in full sun when layering?
Do you have the plant in full sun when layering?
leatherback- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Yes, in full sun.
This is very important for proper development of roots.
Thank for your question
Ciao Daniel
This is very important for proper development of roots.
Thank for your question
Ciao Daniel
-Daniel-- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
OK, that may have been part of the problem. (I bought the tree from a nursery, where it was kept shaded & in a sort of greenhouse: I did not dare put it in full sun, and it just stayed in the shade). Will see what happens come spring
leatherback- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Daniel
Great tree, I really like the twin trunk.
Nice progression so far as well. I'm sure it will continue to improve with age, ramification etc. Please do keep us updated on future progress.
You have some view from your garden too!!!!
One question though, are you sure it's a Deshojo?
Shouldn't the leaves and shoots be bright red?
Regards
Richard
Great tree, I really like the twin trunk.
Nice progression so far as well. I'm sure it will continue to improve with age, ramification etc. Please do keep us updated on future progress.
You have some view from your garden too!!!!
One question though, are you sure it's a Deshojo?
Shouldn't the leaves and shoots be bright red?
Regards
Richard
Richard S- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
The pic above is the tree in Autumn colour. Your acer isn't a deshojo - the fresh spring growth should be a very bright red, turning a shrimp red later on and then a pale green. The leaf in your photo looks a little like Acer p. 'Orange Dream'.
marie1uk- Member
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Well I'm certainly no expert so I might well be wrong but I have an Acer Palmatum that was sold to me as "Deshojo" so I was basing my opinion on that tree (actually the one in the photo above my name). Of course it could be mine which was wrongly labelled!
My tree has bright red shoots and brilliantly scarlet red leaves when young. These fade through the summer getting progressively darker and greener before turning orange or red again in Autumn.
It doesn't produce the kind of spring colour that you show in your photos and it's never as bright green in summer either. I do have an Acer Palmatum "Orange Dream" which looks a lot like yours in spring but not as bright green in summer and it never shows any pink at all. Having seen the "mother" plant I'm a bit at a loss
There are so many varieties but if yours is Deshojo then I think mine must be something else because they appear very different.
Any real Acer experts out there with an opinion?
Cheers
Richard
PS it's a great tree what ever it is (yours I mean, mine is just OK).
My tree has bright red shoots and brilliantly scarlet red leaves when young. These fade through the summer getting progressively darker and greener before turning orange or red again in Autumn.
It doesn't produce the kind of spring colour that you show in your photos and it's never as bright green in summer either. I do have an Acer Palmatum "Orange Dream" which looks a lot like yours in spring but not as bright green in summer and it never shows any pink at all. Having seen the "mother" plant I'm a bit at a loss
There are so many varieties but if yours is Deshojo then I think mine must be something else because they appear very different.
Any real Acer experts out there with an opinion?
Cheers
Richard
PS it's a great tree what ever it is (yours I mean, mine is just OK).
Richard S- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Very nice work. I think it will look even better with more fine ramification. The trunk is darkening up quickly. I have wondered how long it takes for a maples green trunk to start turning brown with bark.
KennedyMarx- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
I think the problem with Deshojo is that many of them are not grown from cutting or through grafting. Rather, they are grown by some from seed. This has resulted in variations of the 'deshojo' strain in Europe, most of which are not really deshojo. I have spent a long time looking for a decent deshojo. (Which is the one I mentioned earlier).
A true deshojo in spring takes your breath away when the buds break, so vibrant is the scarlet that comes out. unlike pretty much any coloring I have ever seen on plant leaves.
http://bonsai4u.com/Assets/Bonsai4u_Gallery/images/Acer%20Palmatum%20%27Deshojo%27.jpg
A true deshojo in spring takes your breath away when the buds break, so vibrant is the scarlet that comes out. unlike pretty much any coloring I have ever seen on plant leaves.
http://bonsai4u.com/Assets/Bonsai4u_Gallery/images/Acer%20Palmatum%20%27Deshojo%27.jpg
leatherback- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Thank you for your interest in my tree.
Thanks Richard, Marx, Leather and Marie.
Now I begin to understand need something.
These pictures are from the year 2014
This picture is another Maple I have in my collection, this is a DESHOJO, right?
In the spring, leaves a very strong red.
Thanks again everyone.
Regards Daniel
Thanks Richard, Marx, Leather and Marie.
Now I begin to understand need something.
These pictures are from the year 2014
This picture is another Maple I have in my collection, this is a DESHOJO, right?
In the spring, leaves a very strong red.
Thanks again everyone.
Regards Daniel
-Daniel-- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
That certainly looks more like Deshojo to me.
Your gonna tell us it's a layer from the same tree now aren't you!!!!
Your gonna tell us it's a layer from the same tree now aren't you!!!!
Richard S- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Daniel, I want to thank you for a clear pictorial of the air layer process. The new tree will be very nice in time. The other 'Deshojo' that was not the layered one is quite nice also.
About names. It is difficult to decipher which cultivar you are looking at, especially from pictures. A maple's leaves change color constantly through the season, and the color will vary from year to year, and location to location. Differences in amounts of sun and temperatures will dramatically affect color. So too will the maturity of the tree. Out of necessity, we have to rely on the name provided by the vendor, and hope the vendor keeps the names correct.
Some confusion comes from the fact that there are several cultivars with nearly identical names. Deshojo, Shin Deshojo, Shishio Improved, and Shishio all are fairly similar in summer, and the names are easily confused one from the other. Attached is an image of Shin Deshojo from early summer, it does look like your leaf. Is this image correctly labelled? I would guess it is but I am not certain. The image is from a respected USA vendor, and shows even the best vendors may have trouble keeping provenance of cultivars accurate.
I would keep collecting foliage images from early spring, late spring, middle of summer, early autumn and late autumn for several years, to capture the range of colors. In time, you or a maple expert more experienced than I, could determine which cultivar you have. I don''t have the knowledge or the reference books myself.
But in bonsai, it is the tree itself we enjoy, the name of the cultivar is not important. You have some nice trees - thanks for sharing.
About names. It is difficult to decipher which cultivar you are looking at, especially from pictures. A maple's leaves change color constantly through the season, and the color will vary from year to year, and location to location. Differences in amounts of sun and temperatures will dramatically affect color. So too will the maturity of the tree. Out of necessity, we have to rely on the name provided by the vendor, and hope the vendor keeps the names correct.
Some confusion comes from the fact that there are several cultivars with nearly identical names. Deshojo, Shin Deshojo, Shishio Improved, and Shishio all are fairly similar in summer, and the names are easily confused one from the other. Attached is an image of Shin Deshojo from early summer, it does look like your leaf. Is this image correctly labelled? I would guess it is but I am not certain. The image is from a respected USA vendor, and shows even the best vendors may have trouble keeping provenance of cultivars accurate.
I would keep collecting foliage images from early spring, late spring, middle of summer, early autumn and late autumn for several years, to capture the range of colors. In time, you or a maple expert more experienced than I, could determine which cultivar you have. I don''t have the knowledge or the reference books myself.
But in bonsai, it is the tree itself we enjoy, the name of the cultivar is not important. You have some nice trees - thanks for sharing.
Leo Schordje- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Thanks Leo for your valuable information.
The mother plant maple in my garden I bought 25 years ago, can not remember the name on the tag (maybe it was written).
In Italy it is called simply maple palmate, I thought variety Deshojo but this is not important.
I understand it is very difficult to know the variety, there are many variable components that make different color of the leaves, city, sun, rain, high mountains or plains, etc., etc. :
I will update this post in spring with new leaves, I hope it is of interest to all.
Thank you all for your questions and answers were really helpful.
Good bonsai to all
Ciao Daniel
The mother plant maple in my garden I bought 25 years ago, can not remember the name on the tag (maybe it was written).
In Italy it is called simply maple palmate, I thought variety Deshojo but this is not important.
I understand it is very difficult to know the variety, there are many variable components that make different color of the leaves, city, sun, rain, high mountains or plains, etc., etc. :
I will update this post in spring with new leaves, I hope it is of interest to all.
Thank you all for your questions and answers were really helpful.
Good bonsai to all
Ciao Daniel
-Daniel-- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Yep, definitely keep us updated!
Like Leo said, in Bonsai it's the overall tree that matters not the specific variety and you definitely have a nice tree there.
Cheers
Richard
Like Leo said, in Bonsai it's the overall tree that matters not the specific variety and you definitely have a nice tree there.
Cheers
Richard
Richard S- Member
Re: Deshojo Maple by layering
Thanks Richard, I'll make updates to this Maple.
I wish you a good bonsai
Ciao Daniel
I wish you a good bonsai
Ciao Daniel
-Daniel-- Member
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