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Post  Ahuehuete Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:09 pm

Hi everyone I have a plague I hope you can help me!!
today I noticed a have a plage of some sort of insects. I don't know what they are, but I guess they will bring problems.

I have been making compost, but today I noticed, all my compost was full of insects.
they are really small and orange/red and seem to be like beatles or spiders. not sure!

there were some fruit mosquitos sourrounding my compost but I notice that some had problems to fly, I looked at them carefully and saw that these insects ride fruit mosquitos, I guess they use them to travel.

can you help with the name? how can I prevent a new infection?
how can I get rid of them?? I would prefer a organic insectice, if possible
shoul I get rid of my compost?

thank you a lot!!!!!




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Post  Jkd2572 Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:18 pm

Can you post a pic?

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Post  fiona Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:38 pm

very small beatles or spiders not sure what they are??? Beatle11
Very small beatles.

Sorry, couldn't resist. But a proper pic would be good.

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Post  Jkd2572 Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:03 am

Your hilarious!

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Post  -keith- Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:25 am

LOL looks to be a hairy british species ... i would lean towards spider mites, they are orange/red, i have seen large colonies of them and seen them hitching rides on flies.
i have heard they are bad ,but really do not know what they do to get that reputation
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Post  JimLewis Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:47 pm

Whatever they are, their presence undoubtedly means that your compost isn't getting hot enough to start the organic material decaying properly. Maybe it isn't damp enough, or isn't deep enough.

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Post  Ahuehuete Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:53 pm

I'm sorry for the delay, but I had to get a HD cam because I couldn't get a good photo with my cam. they are really small.

In these photos they may look like the insects that roses have, but they are not. besides they move faster .
these are the photos. I tried to get them as clear as possible.

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Post  Rubarb Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:15 pm

Looks like spider mites (they do come in colours other than the normal red/orage) or even maybe Cinara aphid? but thats more common on conifers.

Hope this link helps you:

How to get rid of spider mites
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Post  -keith- Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:18 pm

i dont think they are spider mites their body structure is not correct, it does look very much like aphids or maybe a wingless female nat of somesort
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Post  Sakaki Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:55 am

JimLewis wrote:Whatever they are, their presence undoubtedly means that your compost isn't getting hot enough to start the organic material decaying properly. Maybe it isn't damp enough, or isn't deep enough.

I agree with Jim! And it seems that they are not spider mites.
I use and make compost, and know that there are several bugs, bacterias, flies, fruit flies, mold mites, fungis, etc. (some of them are visible, some of are animalcule that can only be seen with a microscope) which actually helps you to make compost. The population of such big bugs and flies are high especially if your compost is too wet, not hot & not getting sun enough, and has a poor ventilation.
So that means your compost is not ready. Nevertheless, most of these organisms are not threat for your plants, but you!

I suggest you to feed your mixture with dry materials like wood chips (to reduce excessive wetness) and a little amount of nitrogen (to increase heat).
I dont know if these are the cases for your mixture, but I think that your compost is not ready yet.

P.S.: These are my observations & experiences in making my composts! Also, if you use worms in your compost be careful with the amount of nitrogen to be added. Worms are very sensitive to nitrogen!

Good luck.
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Post  Ahuehuete Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:28 pm

Hi I googled in the insects you told and I found out that I have a plague of spider mites.

I found a recepy to make a ecologic insecticide in one of my books. It is out of garlich, onion and chillis.

do you have another recepy you'd like to share???

or maybe another way to get rid of them??

thank you!!!!!!!

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Post  JimLewis Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:45 pm

It was hard to see but I don't think your pictures had 8 legs -- which spider mites have.

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Post  Sakaki Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:09 pm

JimLewis wrote:It was hard to see but I don't think your pictures had 8 legs -- which spider mites have.

Such long antennas also!?
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Post  Ahuehuete Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:19 pm

They do have 8 legs.
I counted the legs, it was hard because they move fast.
I know in the pictures they look different but it is really difficult to get a good picture.

they have some sort of antennas, but I'm not sure if they are antennas or legs.

advices to get rid of them???

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Post  Rubarb Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:29 am

These days most pesticides will kill a targeted a problem and 200 other ones at the same time so my advice is look for one that says spider mites/ aphids

should do the job
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Post  Ahuehuete Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:14 am

Rubarb wrote:These days most pesticides will kill a targeted a problem and 200 other ones at the same time so my advice is look for one that says spider mites/ aphids

should do the job

will my composte be safe if I use the pesticide ??
I mean the pesticide will destroy the insects and my compost or just the insects???

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Post  Sakaki Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:38 am

Ahuehuete wrote:will my composte be safe if I use the pesticide ??
I mean the pesticide will destroy the insects and my compost or just the insects???


Sakaki wrote:
I use and make compost, and know that there are several bugs, bacterias, flies, fruit flies, mold mites, fungis, etc. (some of them are visible, some of are animalcule that can only be seen with a microscope) which actually helps you to make compost. The population of such big bugs and flies are high especially if your compost is too wet, not hot & not getting sun enough, and has a poor ventilation.
So, that means your compost is not ready.

I suggest you to feed your mixture with dry materials like wood chips (to reduce excessive wetness) and a little amount of nitrogen (to increase heat).
I dont know if these are the cases for your mixture, but I think that your compost is not ready yet.


P.S.: These are my observations & experiences in making my composts! Also, if you use worms in your compost be careful with the amount of nitrogen to be added. Worms are very sensitive to nitrogen!

Also: Using pecticides/insecticides on your compoast at this stage is not a good idea imho.

Good luck.

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Post  JimLewis Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:42 pm

HOWEVER, it sounds as if the critters are in the soil and NOT on any trees. If so, I doubt that you need to "get rid " of them in any way other than improving the soil. Using poisons should always be the LAST resort.

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