Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

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Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  ogie on Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:38 am

Hi fellow member,
I need your opinion to this one.Should i just put it in a suiban display or make a daiza for it?Does this stone have the charcter to keep it?thanks in advance for your comment and suggestion.
regards...Alex/Ogie

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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  Chris Cochrane on Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:21 pm

Hi Alex... Regarding this stone, you share more than one front but do not share an overhead view or the contour of the stone's bottom & backside, which would each help determine if a daiza would be a practical option. Additionally, enthusiasts would differ on what stones are worth crafting a daiza.

Tall, single-peak mountain stones of horizontal orientation as this specimen would characteristically be noticeably wider (side-to-side) than deep (front-to-back) & should have no significant undercutting visible on the backside-- either in a daiza or suiban. Stones that are worthy of a suiban should have a daiza prepared for them, even if the stone is always displayed in a suiban. A single mountain peak stone is seldom improved by display in a suiban unless it has features which also associate it with water (e.g., coastal rock, waterpool, waterfall) or unbounded spaciousness (e.g., beyond a cliff ending on one end).

The stone has a "duel-tail" end with two ridges ending in separate extensions of the mountain as it descends toward the right. For swallows or surfboards I think it is called a "pin-tail." A narrow pin-tail makes crafting daiza feet much more difficult and makes precision in choosing the front face critical. If we can see both feet under the existing pin-tail ridges when viewing the stone from its front, the daiza can add considerable complexity to what should be a simple image. Pin-tail ridgelines work better with stones showing a complex front including a cove or coves, so that the complexity doesn't draw visual engagement away from the stone's front. Pin-tail ridges might enhance a stone for suiban display where partially submerged in sand. For many stones with an apparent, naturally incurving underside, the daiza is enhance by diminishing the mass of the daiza contour near the stone's ends while leaving it deeper/heavier under the stone's center. If the daiza profile & foot seen at furthest extension is partially hidden behind a ridge in the foreground, the image can be awkward. A stone must have a very engaging front to overcome a visible pin-tail end when mounted on a daiza.

For a daiza choice, you choose admirably, Alex, in either hiding the back ridge (photos #1 & #3) or making the two ridges visible and separate with one on the front of the stone & the other establishing the stone's end by-itself (photo #2). The turning, however, fails to clarify the depth of the stone on its backside. Depth of the stone from various fronts would help determine its backside with less-depth preferred over greater-depth.

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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  jrodriguez on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:11 pm

Ogie,

Like Chris very eloquently stated, enthusiasts will have different opinion when determining this choice. In my opinion and given the fact that your stone has vertical weight, using a wide suiban will soften the visual mass of the stone considerably. If you choose to display your stone using a daiza, I will suggest for you to use a wide display table to better emphasize every detail of your stone.

On another note, I usually take pictures of my stones in a 'birds-eye' view. If the stone has an interesting coast line, I usually will decide to have a daiza carved. This might help you guide your decision.

Kind regards,

Jose Luis

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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  ogie on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:17 pm

Hello Chris,,,& Jose Luis,
Thank you both for enlightening me,will post different angle of the stone and post it soon,Am continuing to learn

Kindess regards,
Alex

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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  jrodriguez on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:28 pm

Alex,

Indonesia is quite proficient in good quality suiseki and suiseki specialists. I have had the privilege to sit down with my friends Mai Paiman and Budi Sulistyo to discuss placement of stones in suiban as well as daiza. I remember on particular instance when we were discussing a stone which was good from every single angle. When it was placed in a suiban or a doban, each side represented a different feeling. Since the stone was excellent from every side,including top and bottom, this stone in particular was placed permanently on a suiban. The owner rotated the stone every so often to express a different theme and shape. A stone like the one i mention is valuable indeed and very rare. One is very lucky to find such a stone.

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Jose Luis


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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  ogie on Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:44 pm

Hi Jose Luis,

Yes i know what you mean by it,i have a stone in which i turn often because even all angles are very inspiring,unfortunately here in the Phil. not much availiabilty of big suiban,it needs a bigger one.is there a guidline as to what size a suiban should be in proportion to the stone?

Kindness regards,
Alex

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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  suisekipr on Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:13 am

hi friends,
my opinion is the rock looks better in a daiza.

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Re: Is it for DAIZA or SUIBAN display.Pls advice...

Post  ogie on Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:21 am

suisekipr wrote:hi friends,
my opinion is the rock looks better in a daiza.

Thanks and appreciate it much

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