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DAIZA or SUIBAN

Post  aaapostol_8368 on Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:06 am

Hello IBC members,
please give me an advice how to make it to my sea lion for a good looking for daiza please draw the figure and for suiban give me an example, i accept your opinions and suggestion...


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Re: DAIZA or SUIBAN

Post  Chris Cochrane on Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:05 pm

Hi Aaapostal... The option in daiza (Japanese style) would be different than the option in shizuo/"wood seat" (Chinese style). Since the stone suits Chinese shangshi style or viewing stone style better than Japanese stone style, I would recommend not using a daiza style.

For me, the most accomplished seating would explicitly express the contour of a place where your animal sits-- perhaps, a coastal rock... or at the side of a hole through surface ice. Where do you see the animal in nature. Alternatively, you could artistically elevate the animal to a scene more metaphorical than realistic by carving allusions in the seating which relate to a recognized story of the animal-- Eskimo do this with totems relating a story through combinations of "faces." Explicit metaphor is also common in Chinese shangshi wood seats.

Modern Japanese daiza are typically best when minimal & adding little to the stone image. The daiza would support the stone at its three touch points to the ground, and its mass would be minimized to not extend further outward at any touch point. You could have a single daiza under all touch-points, three modest daiza with no connection under each touch-point, but I would choose a single daiza with two touch-points for the tail fin and a separate daiza under the single touch-point for the upper body (combined) stone fin.

A suiban is awkward for so many reasons. Would sand in the suiban suggest water, ice or a beach sand surface? We should not expect this limestone to hold water close to its surface & slowly dry over hours as stones in suiban should. If you see the stone as an animal, by placing it in a Japanese suiban, you would need to recognize it as a landscape feature (probably a coastal rock) which has the form of an animal-- e.g., "the Seal-shaped Rock." While the "Seal-shaped Rock" could be an interesting image, it does not pass muster as a suiseki in a suiban if water doesn't dry slowly from its surface. Assuming the stone isn't sealed to repel water, already, adding water to its surface repeatedly will arguably weather the wetted areas of the stone & make them lighten. It will also arguably wear or stain the calcite inclusions in the limestone. I would not choose to wet this stone in a suiban, it is not a reasonable candidate for suiban placement.

Hope you find a satisfying choice for yourself. If I did not comment when this stone was posted before, the animal looking over its shoulder & back is particularly good for opening the feeling of space around this stone.

BTW, you can forget all this guidance based upon Japanese or Chinese style if you wish to mount it as a viewing stone. Put a dry stone in a tray of your own choosing (it need not be a suiban) and use whatever fill you desire in the tray. It is perfectly acceptable & might be very artistic and beloved by viewers.

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just for fun

Post  stonener on Fri Sep 09, 2011 12:43 am

try tail up... Suspect

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Re: DAIZA or SUIBAN

Post  Guest on Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:17 am

Hi Aaapostol

I have tried to make drawing of a daisa, for the stone.
I imagine a flat, fairly thin/elegant wooden stand, with very low feet under the four rounded corners, the frontflippers is liftet about one cm., and the backflippers is sunk a half cm.into the stand.
I dont know the sice of the stone, so the meassures is 1 part up - and 0,5 part dawn.



For a suiban, would I go for a medium bluegray, very shallow with strait sides, I would also want the suiban to have glaze in the inside. The suiban should be about the doubble lengd ( a little less, as the meassures is from between the feet) of the stone, and also doubble width.
With the glaze inside, can you exhibit the stone in water alone, or with both water and sand, and sand alone, the layer of sand should be very thin, as the flippers should not dissapear too much into the sand ( remember very low suiban Smile )
The sand can be a very light gray.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Re: DAIZA or SUIBAN

Post  aaapostol_8368 on Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:03 pm

good day, chris,
thanks for information about daisa and suiban

stonener
thanks your suggestion i try

yvonne
i appreciate your drawing i will try also thanks

best regards
aaapostol_8368

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Re: DAIZA or SUIBAN

Post  Guest on Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:16 pm

Hi again

I look forward to see your result.

kind regards Yvonne

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Sea World, San Diego Ca.

Post  stonener on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:27 am


Hello my friend 8368!
happy to suggest for you,
I see your stone this way,
easy and fun, stand not so hard this way.
maybe you can see a little different?

my way is to mount on ball shape stand,
as if seal is in circus during show,
make round ball of wood,
then carve top a little to fit in stone,
cut bottom of ball flat, to sit well.

as picture in my memory...


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Re: DAIZA or SUIBAN

Post  aaapostol_8368 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:49 am

good day stonener thanks for your good suggestion i try it...

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