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Post  Hawaiian77 on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:38 am

Howzit guys,

I need a little help with my Chinese Elm. This is a picture of it back in November. After I bought it I felt that it need a new style so I purned it back hard and now three months after all the new branches are coming out. I just need some ideas on to which breaches to keep and what ones to cut or should I just let it go for a little while longer. Mahalo for the Kokua. (Help)

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Post  moyogijohn on Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:12 pm

Wow,you did a hard pruning but it came back nice... your new branches need to grow to thicken now. all i would do ef two branches are sproting from the same spot be careful and remove the weaker one let the other ones grow..hope this helps john

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:24 am

moyogijohn wrote:Wow,you did a hard pruning but it came back nice... your new branches need to grow to thicken now. all i would do ef two branches are sproting from the same spot be careful and remove the weaker one let the other ones grow..hope this helps john

Mahalo John for the advice. I do have a few that are sprouting from the same place. Will cut the weaker ones. I didn't like the way it look after I bought it from the bonsai farm so I thought it should have a new beginning.

Again, Much Mahalo,

-Tim Cool

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Post  bonsaistud on Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:47 am

G'day Tim...

In addition to what John suggested, I would let it grow out for at least two years...

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Post  Tom on Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:47 pm

It's hard to tell in the picture, but it looks a bit as if the trunk is curving away from the viewer. Might be worth thinking about the current back as the front view - that could also help hide the lumpy bit near the top.

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Post  JimLewis on Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:36 pm

Well, it's a round pot. The front could be anywhere. It has potential, but I sure wouldn't do anything more to it for a good long while.

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:55 pm

A 'Big" Mahalo guys for the advice. Just wanted to get some thought from ya'll. As the way it is the tree is leaning towards the back. So there is potential but as Jim said I'm going to let go for a while. I will post it back up again in a few months.

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Post  JimLewis on Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:47 pm

in a few months.

Or maybe a year or so ????

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Post  bonsaistud on Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:52 pm

"...Or maybe a year or so ????..."

At least...

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:04 am

O.K. Then..... Rolling Eyes

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:11 pm

Fast growing seasons in Hawaii. You may be surprised at the timing.

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:24 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:Fast growing seasons in Hawaii. You may be surprised at the timing.

Howzit Rob,

That's for sure Cuz....flower but when it comes down to fertilizing I do follow your seasons back in the states. Your growing season from March to September I hit my trees with a 7-9-5 liquid fertilizer the same on my Azaleas. Now in the dormant season from September to March I hit it with a 0-10-10. Even though we don't have the winters like you do the trees do go through some type of dormancy. Also, where I live I have the morning sun so by the time it gets hot in the afternoon I get the shade. So I only water about twice a week a little more in the summer. Thats why I don't use dry fertilizer because it only feeds when you water and I don't water the often.

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Post  Wm Tom Davis on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:32 pm

Howzit Bruddha Tim!

Where you stay? Morning sun is windward side, o south side ova dea?
So wat Cuz, you no get da after noon showas?

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Post  bonsaisr on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:40 pm

Hawaiian77 wrote:I have the morning sun so by the time it gets hot in the afternoon I get the shade. So I only water about twice a week a little more in the summer.
-Tim Cool

From that description, I suspect you have too much shade. Most of our trees do better with full sun most of the day. If you only water two or three times a week in the summer, and you don't have rain every day, I think you may have too much shade or your soil is too soggy.
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, I am allergic to pretzel bends. I prefer a more natural style. If it were my tree, I would air layer it just above that sharp bend in the trunk. You may wind up with two more appealing shohin elms.
Iris

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:43 pm

Wm Tom Davis wrote:Howzit Bruddha Tim!

Where you stay? Morning sun is windward side, o south side ova dea?
So wat Cuz, you no get da after noon showas?

lol! Oh Cuz!!!! I stay on da southside of Maui in Kihei and I stay facing Mt. Haleakala. So wen da sun come up in da morning it hits my condo. Also Cuz... no rain in Kihei. If rain, da whole island rain!! ThumbsUp

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Post  Wm Tom Davis on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:50 pm

Hawaiian77 wrote:lol! Oh Cuz!!!! I stay on da southside of Maui in Kihei and I stay facing Mt. Haleakala. So wen da sun come up in da morning it hits my condo. Also Cuz... no rain in Kihei. If rain, da whole island rain!! ThumbsUp

-Tim Cool

I can't tell you how much I miss da islands. Wen I was dea, I stay Kailua, Oahu, for 10 yeas. I get back now an den, and you right Brah, I miss da onolishious grinds dea. I still get my Hari Kojima kine recipes and my Taste of Aloha cookbook. Every Friday I go online and lisen KCCN o FM100... aaaaahhhhhh Brudda, jus presssssss.... Wish I had some Aku limu poke right now.

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:57 pm

Sounds good Cuz but I think we should take this down to "Off Topic Banter" under "Aloha From Maui, Hawaii" bumby we going get in trouble!! I'll reply from there.

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Post  Wm Tom Davis on Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:58 pm

Bumby...

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:04 pm

[quote="bonsaisr"]
Hawaiian77 wrote:I have the morning sun so by the time it gets hot in the afternoon I get the shade. So I only water about twice a week a little more in the summer.
-Tim Cool

From that description, I suspect you have too much shade. Most of our trees do better with full sun most of the day. If you only water two or three times a week in the summer, and you don't have rain every day, I think you may have too much shade or your soil is too soggy.
My personal opinion, for what it's worth, I am allergic to pretzel bends. I prefer a more natural style. If it were my tree, I would air layer it just above that sharp bend in the trunk. You may wind up with two more appealing shohin elms.
Iris[/quote

I understand where your coming from but my trees are doing fine. In the beginning it was getting a bit soggy but now after carful monitoring I have it down to where I know when to water. Look at the Chinese Elm, I had it there for years and after a hard pruning it's coming back. My ficus I have to water once a week because it likes it a little dryer.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:38 pm

Wm Tom Davis wrote:
Hawaiian77 wrote:lol! Oh Cuz!!!! I stay on da southside of Maui in Kihei and I stay facing Mt. Haleakala. So wen da sun come up in da morning it hits my condo. Also Cuz... no rain in Kihei. If rain, da whole island rain!! ThumbsUp

-Tim Cool

I can't tell you how much I miss da islands. Wen I was dea, I stay Kailua, Oahu, for 10 yeas. I get back now an den, and you right Brah, I miss da onolishious grinds dea. I still get my Hari Kojima kine recipes and my Taste of Aloha cookbook. Every Friday I go online and lisen KCCN o FM100... aaaaahhhhhh Brudda, jus presssssss.... Wish I had some Aku limu poke right now.

I haven't spent much time in Hawaii but are you typing in some kind of Hawaiian pig latin? It looks funny to us mainlanders. tongue

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Post  Hawaiian77 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:09 pm

Rob Kempinski wrote:
Wm Tom Davis wrote:
Hawaiian77 wrote:lol! Oh Cuz!!!! I stay on da southside of Maui in Kihei and I stay facing Mt. Haleakala. So wen da sun come up in da morning it hits my condo. Also Cuz... no rain in Kihei. If rain, da whole island rain!! ThumbsUp

-Tim Cool

I can't tell you how much I miss da islands. Wen I was dea, I stay Kailua, Oahu, for 10 yeas. I get back now an den, and you right Brah, I miss da onolishious grinds dea. I still get my Hari Kojima kine recipes and my Taste of Aloha cookbook. Every Friday I go online and lisen KCCN o FM100... aaaaahhhhhh Brudda, jus presssssss.... Wish I had some Aku limu poke right now.

I haven't spent much time in Hawaii but are you typing in some kind of Hawaiian pig latin? It looks funny to us mainlanders. tongue

Howzit Rob,

Yes it is. It's called "Pidgin English". Pidgin (or Hawaiʻi Creole) originated as a form of communication used between English speaking residents and non-English speaking immigrants in Hawaiʻi. It supplanted the pidgin Hawaiian used on the plantations and elsewhere in Hawaiʻi. It has been influenced by many languages, including Portuguese, Hawaiian, and Cantonese. As people of other language backgrounds were brought in to work on the plantations, such as Japanese, Filipinos, and Koreans, Pidgin acquired words from these languages. Japanese loanwords in Hawaiʻi lists some of those words originally from Japanese. It has also been influenced to a lesser degree by Spanish spoken by Mexican and Puerto Rican settlers in Hawaiʻi.

Even today, Pidgin retains some influences from these languages. For example, the word "stay" in Pidgin has a form and use similar to the Portuguese verb "estar", which means "to be" but is used when referring to a temporary state or location. Sometimes the structure of the language is like that of Portuguese grammar. For instance, "You like one knife?" means "Would you like a knife?". The reason why the word "one" is used instead of "a" is because the word "um" in Portuguese has two meanings: "um" translates to "one" and "a" in English. The way people use the phrase "No can" ("não pode") is Portuguese grammar, as well. In Portuguese, the phrase "Você não pode fazer isso!" comes out in Pidgin as "You no can do dat!", and in English as "You cannot do that!"

Now, going get one test after dis. lol!

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Re: Help with Chinese Elm

Post  Wm Tom Davis on Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:23 pm

Ho Brudda Tim,

You wen give em!

I too prefer a much more natural style of tree, and the nice thing about Elms is that that can be achieved fairly quickly because of the rapid growth. I agree that pretzels and pompoms don't do it for me either.

I know that most south sides are fairly dry, but do you have any problems with mold on your trunks (Not your surf trunks either, Brah)?

Aloha ka kou,

~ Tom
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Post  Hawaiian77 on Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:51 pm

Howzit Tom,

lol! Cuz, stay you nuts!! I have no problem with mold in Kihei. Mostly on the eastside of Maui like Haiku, Olinda, Hana you'll see a lot of mold. When I first bought this Elm it came from Olinda Bonsai farm and it did had some mold but after I took it back to Kihei in a few weeks it was all gone.

I to like the "natural" style of a tree but I kinda like this Elm. That's why I pruned it back hard so I could have a new start with some new branching and change the front after I re-pot it so that "pretzel" look won't look so bad. Rolling Eyes

Aloha Cuz,

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