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Selling yamadori

Post  Nemphis on Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:24 am

As the Autumn is aproaching,so is the collecting season.
I've been thinking of making some money from selling yamadori that I could collect in the forest this season.
So I would go out in the forest collect the tree(with pictures of collection to prove that it is a real yamadori) and sell it here.
The tranportation could be made by courier using a method that I used while transporting my olive 2000km, by wrapping the roots in cotton wrappers and soaking into water,then wrapping it again in a plastic bag,so it would not drip the water,and putting it into a box(I used this method and worked).

Is this a good ideea? Would anyone be interested in it?

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Re: Selling yamadori

Post  Poink88 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:18 pm

IIRC, selling is prohibited here at IBC.

Descent yamadori material will definitely sell. Note that not all materials collected from the wild are classified as "yamadori" by purists. It need age, character, etc. suited for bonsai.

Do your research and see what you should be looking for and collecting. Also learn how to do it properly. You do not want to waste all your time and effort to end with dead trees or too plain that no one wants them. You normally do not sell stock that you recently collected too...you want to make sure that the tree is healthy before you do. A year in container life should be set as minimum IMHO.

You need to invest more that just time too; proper tools, pots, soil, fertilizer, yard space, etc.

Based on what I've seen you post...you need to learn a lot more before you can do this venture right. Good luck!!!

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Re: Selling yamadori

Post  Nemphis on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:32 pm

Why is it prohibited?




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Post  Poink88 on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:41 pm

Nemphis wrote:Why is it prohibited?
Ask the admin or the moderators.

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Re: Selling yamadori

Post  JimLewis on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:26 pm

Why is it prohibited?

Please read our Acceptable Use Policy. http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t1061-acceptable-use-policy-aup . You should have read it when you joined.

We have no desire to make the IBC a worldwide Yard Sale, or free storefront for hopeful, entrepreneurial bonsaiests. That said, you may have a signature line under your name that mentions your business and provides e-mail or website contact info, but NOT specific FOR SALE info.

Can I assume that, at 16, you know all the regulations -- local, state, federal, and private -- associated with collecting plants? Permits are required in many cases. Some include fees. In other cases collecting is NOT allowed. To be a success in this endeavor, you will need to know a lot about species habitats and requirements, environmental considerations, and horticulture -- not to mention what makes a good, collectible (and salable) yamadori.

And, as Dario mentioned, there is a considerable amount of time and care involved between collection and sale -- as only an idiot would purchase a just-dug plant -- so you need space in which to keep and maintain your product for a minimum of a year, often longer, so you can provide some assurance that the plant has survived the trauma of being dug.

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Post  leatherback on Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:29 pm

Personally I would not buy over the internet, unless the seller has a seriously good reputation (Such as Tony Tickle has). And even then.. Only clear pictures would be enough to create an interest.

Sending the plants the way you now suggest.. No way I would accept that. IF I were to buy Yamadori, I would like to see it well-established in a container, and pics to proove it has been growing in that container for some time (Unless you are a recommended seller, as above).

By the way: It is not the fact that is was collected from the wild which makes the tree desirable; The shape, character etc would. So taking pictures before collection would not be needed. If you feel that you need in situ pictures to prove it's value, it has non and you better leave it where it is.

In short: I think this is a bad idea.

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Re: Selling yamadori

Post  Nemphis on Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:35 pm

Thank you on your feedback.

And about collecting and fees,my family got some land back at the country side where do grow trees and bushes,my collecting zone,and I've been checking bonsai sites so I have somewhat of an ideea of how a yamadori tree should look like.About the collecting I did collect some trees on the past year,I may not do it as good as other collectors but I do know how to collect one.
It was just an ideea,from the feedback I see it was a bad one.
I do want to get into this sort of bussines,to provide good materials to bonsai lovers.I will start collecting this year,and I keep them one year in pot before thinking of selling them,or maybe I will get attached and not sell them at all.We'll see.

Thank you for the feedback,it opened my eyes.

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Post  Jkd2572 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:52 pm

I like your idea. Go to bonsainut.com. They will let you post trees for sell. I will say I would not pay big money unless the tree has been in a pot for two years.

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Re: Selling yamadori

Post  coh on Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:08 pm

JimLewis wrote:

And, as Dario mentioned, there is a considerable amount of time and care involved between collection and sale -- as only an idiot would purchase a just-dug plant -- so you need space in which to keep and maintain your product for a minimum of a year, often longer, so you can provide some assurance that the plant has survived the trauma of being dug.

Must be a lot of idiots out there - have you seen how quickly Andy Smith sells his just dug "burlap bonanza" trees? Obvious difference is that he knows what to collect and how to collect it, has been doing it for years. The trees must have a high survival rate or word would get around. I've got 2 (ponderosas) that I purchased that way last spring (2011), both are doing well. Obviously I cannot do any real styling on them for another couple of years as they establish, but that was a trade off I was willing to make.

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Re: Selling yamadori

Post  marcus watts on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:18 pm

Hi
unless it is a mountain range I guess a family plot of land may have 1% good ones, 9% ok ones and 90% unsuitable or poor ones.........so if you have a true interest in bonsai why would you sell the 1%? If you are planting and growing trees for bonsai styling they will be nice and worth styling when you are about 36. if there are good trees i suggest you practice collecting and keeping alive the average ones for 3 years before trying the good ones - dont use the best ones as the learning material. Also they need to be desirable and unusual species for people to pay worthwhile amounts - an olive in a country full of olives is worth very little, same as native pines etc.

good luck and well done for thinking about business though -

marcus

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