Re: Some azaleas in bloom

xuan le Thu May 26, 2011 11:03 pm

Glaucus wrote:Yes, it did look bigger than the other that does seem to be 'Miyama Mangetsu'. Now I don't know for sure if it is 'Seidai' or 'Shugetsu' or one of the other similar ones. It seems 'Shugetsu' is more purple and 'Seidai' more pink and 'Shugetsu' has a bit stronger yellowish blotch. If I had to guess, I would guess 'Shugetsu'.

Isn't the kenben of 'Sachi no Hana' too strong to be the one in the picture? Maybe a close up of the flower shape will help.
Also, do you think the colour is a true red or barely not because of too much purple? Can't be sure looking at a picture.

I saw someone with a vireya bonsai on an Australian bonsai forum:
http://www.ausbonsai.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=4258

They may not be long lived as evergreen azalea.

Here is the close up picture of the flowers
The color is rather pink redish than purple

and here is my Kakuo in training

Russell Coker Thu May 26, 2011 11:23 pm

Shugetsu... Glaucus, that's the one. I've been thinking 'shugetsu' and saying 'seidai'. Thanks!

Thanks for the Vireya info too!

Glaucus Fri May 27, 2011 8:08 am

It's hard to tell

'Shugetsu'
http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/image/86002531

'Seidai'
http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/image/86002457

I am not sure at all.

xuan le Mon May 30, 2011 2:54 am

Most of my Azalaeas and Satsuki are in bloom now, here are some pictures I just took today

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 05-29-2011027

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 05-29-2011034

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 05-29-2011028

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Satsukionthedeck4

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Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Satsukionthedeck3

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 05-29-2011032

Russell Coker Mon May 30, 2011 3:03 am

Beautiful!

In the fifth picture, did you buy the small red flowered one in the round cream colored pot as 'Kinsai'?

The last one is 'Kozan', the parent of 'Nikko' and MANY other popular satsuki.

xuan le Mon May 30, 2011 1:25 pm

Russell Coker wrote:Beautiful!

In the fifth picture, did you buy the small red flowered one in the round cream colored pot as 'Kinsai'?

The last one is 'Kozan', the parent of 'Nikko' and MANY other popular satsuki.

Thanks Russell for your compliment.
The samll tree in the round pot used to be a cutting (a gift from a bonsai club member) and I think it is a Kinsai but I am not so sure because the patals are not as samll as the ones of Kinsai variety.
The Kozan I bought from David Kreutz in 2009 at the PBA show in DC, here is the pictures when I bought it

Russell Coker Mon May 30, 2011 2:07 pm

Very nice work on the 'Kozan'! You have some beautiful satsuki.

The red one is actually 'Sango-sai'.

R

xuan le Mon May 30, 2011 3:34 pm

Russell Coker wrote:Very nice work on the 'Kozan'! You have some beautiful satsuki.

The red one is actually 'Sango-sai'.

R

Thanks for both the compliment and the info about the Sango-sai

tiennavi Tue May 31, 2011 8:06 am

woa, so much pretty! thks for your sharing!

xuan le Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:50 pm

I just took some more pictures of my Satsuki in full bloom, can't resist to share with those who like them
Xuan
Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Nikko1

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Asahinohikari1

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Asahinohikati2

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 05-30-2011001

xuan le Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:55 pm

And some close up pictures
Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 06-02-11014

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 06-02-11012

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 06-02-11011

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 06-02-11015

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Glaucus Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:33 pm

Ok, I'll post some pictures of my cuttings. If they will ever be a bonsai, they will have a long long way to go.

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 IMG_2921-1

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 IMG_2922-1

'Hekisui'

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 IMG_2951-1

'Miharu'

Don't mind the removed stamen.

Russell Coker Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:05 pm

You have some beautiful satsuki, Xuan!

Glaucus, is this 'Usugi-gyoten' or 'Hanazono'? I thinks it's 'Kaho' group, but what? That's not 'Eikan' group foliage, imo. You can see it side by side with Xuan's 'Asahi-no-hikari' in the Poland thread.

Your cuttings are really nice!

R

xuan le wrote:

Glaucus Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:29 pm

Russell Coker wrote:You have some beautiful satsuki, Xuan!

Glaucus, is this 'Usugi-gyoten' or 'Hanazono'? I thinks it's 'Kaho' group, but what? That's not 'Eikan' group foliage, imo. You can see it side by side with Xuan's 'Asahi-no-hikari' in the Poland thread.

I don't know. It I never heard of 'Usugi-gyoten' before when you mentioned it earlier. I looked it up and 'Usiji Gyoten' is a sport of 'Kaho' similar to 'Gyoten', but paler. 'Hanazono' should have both red and purple, or at least the potential to do so.

The best guess so far is probably 'Hanazono', though. If needed I can post some 'Hanazono' pictures off a Japanese site to compare with.

I tried to find the pale lavender one with the finely shaped flowers. Unless it has darker purple shibori it doesn't seem to be in my dictionary.

Russell Coker Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:54 pm

Glaucus wrote: I tried to find the pale lavender one with the finely shaped flowers. Unless it has darker purple shibori it doesn't seem to be in my dictionary.

Are you talking about the one of Xuan's I called 'koromo-shikibu'? I think it's considered one of the "Southern Indian hybrids" (indica) popular here in the American South. Nurserymen lump it with the other indicas, right or wrong. Obviously, the name's Japanese, but as tsutsuji, not satsuki.

Yes, I'd like to see more pictures of 'hanazono'. I kind of think that's what it is.

Glaucus Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:50 pm

This one:

May be some other than satsuki azalea as well.

'Hanazone' pictures:
Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Hanazono1

Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Hanazono2

Pictures from http://www.satsuki-bonsai.com and http://nao-k.jp/satuki/satuki.htm

As you can see this looks pretty close. But I have never seen any of the 'Asahi Zuru'-group with my own eyes and you can see the difference between 'Eikan' leaves and 'Kaho' leaves so you will be more sure than I will.

Russell Coker Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:29 pm

I think Xuan's plant looks like the 'Hanazono' in the last picture you posted. I'd feel comfortable calling it that.

As for that lavender one, I'm lost on that one also. It looks like a lavender 'Kozan'.

xuan le Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:57 am

Russell Coker wrote:I think Xuan's plant looks like the 'Hanazono' in the last picture you posted. I'd feel comfortable calling it that.

As for that lavender one, I'm lost on that one also. It looks like a lavender 'Kozan'.

Does the Kozan have lavender color too? I have only sen the white and very pale pink (like mine)
Some azaleas in bloom - Page 2 Kozan1

Russell Coker Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:38 am

Xuan, 'Kozan' really isn't white. In Japan, the color is called "toki" which translates to "light pink". Often it looks white until you put it with something that really is white.

Figuring out the lavender one is going to take some work. Is that the only color flower is has?

JamesHilaire Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:30 am

Xuan,

Hi its James. It was good to see you a few weeks back. Great trees as usual. Simply beautiful!

James

xuan le Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:00 pm

JamesHilaire wrote:Xuan,

Hi its James. It was good to see you a few weeks back. Great trees as usual. Simply beautiful!

James

Thanks James and I was glad to see you to.

Xuan

Big Zero Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:49 pm

wow, so beautiful. I love them! cheers

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