More from Noelanders 2010

More pictures.

http://blog11.jalbum.net/noelanders%202010/

Unfortunately the place was really tight for my girlfriends wheelchair.
For the rest we had a wonderful day.

Greetings,
Cees.

(Moderator note: I split this topic into a new thread as it had been attached to an older post highlighting Noelanders 2009)

Cees wrote:More pictures.

http://blog11.jalbum.net/noelanders%202010/

Cees.

Photo so far look outstanding.

Did I even see of photo of Walter actually working on stage?

http://bonsaicafe.be/NT%20XI%2023-01-2010/

Thank you, Hans.

-dorothy

Wow, those are some great trees.

Thanks for sharing!

Rob Addonizio wrote:Wow, those are some great trees.

Thanks for sharing!

I agree!
some of the trees are top quality bonsai!
thanks,

Justin

Wow, great trees. Thanks you all for sharing.

Karl-Heinz

Thanks a lot, Cees.

Other photos from a French forum :

Agora Bonsai (requires regitration)

First of all i must say,.........THANKS Marc Noelanders and all of the staff who where working there butts off by making this event happening!

Seccond thanks Morea making this possible i was torn out to quickly but than again had to head home, these events may last a lot longer
for me.

Had a great time, though it was to crowded sometimes, taking pic's is a good thing! for sure did i feel guilty standing in front sorry no..read yes.
The quality of trees in trade and on display keeps getting better and better GoodThing!

@Chris, Jerry and Gerwin nice to (cath up) have met u again.
Would love to share @mail to get to know each other more, the ideas you guys have in sharing is gold! (pb me please)

Hmmm, jerry tables on display why is it underestimated hugely?


And yeah!!!......Thanx Tj. (pronounced in english Tj must be a top star dj?),....oops sorry did it again......writing what i think...hmmm

That's me not much of a talker, just living the thing!

grtzz m

dorothy7774 wrote:http://bonsaicafe.be/NT%20XI%2023-01-2010/

Thank you, Hans.

-dorothy

First let me say thanks to Dorothy for sharing the link and to Hans for all the effort to photograph and upload all the pictures. Thank You!!!

I found many of the trees to be very good and a select few that were just exceptional to me!!!

However, one thing surprised me very much as I looked through all these pictures...80-90% of all the trees list Japan as their origin. I understand that there is a potential for some trees to have been significantly improved since being imported...on the other hand, I am sure there are at least equally as many that have not been significantly improved.

I am not exactly sure of the selection process, but irregardless, I am a little disappointed that a European show of this magnitude would not put more emphasis on native/locally developed material.

I wonder if I have let collections, such as Walter's and a couple of others, influence my perception of the larger bonsai scene in Europe? For me, it is one thing to import high quality material to work on...and quite another to develop it from collected or grown material.

After further reflection, I personally would like to believe, and think I have seen evidence for the notion, that there are many trees in Europe that better represent the talent of the bonsai community than are represented in this particular show...

Perhaps frequency and the number of big shows is beginning to make it difficult to find enough fresh or new native and locally developed quality trees???

I would be interested in reading other's thoughts on this.
Thanks,
John

Hi Michael,
Great to catch up with you again and good to hear your going to BURRS this year,
your ideas and approach to the art is refreshing and it is a priviliage to spend time
with you Morea and Eric are lucky to have you as a friend
Regards Chris
Neolanders and meeting up with old and new friends it does not get much better

Here you can find lots of images from the exhibit and the demos:


http://walter-pall-travelogues.blogspot.com/

First let me say thanks to Dorothy for sharing the link and to Hans for all the effort to photograph and upload all the pictures. Thank You!!!

I found many of the trees to be very good and a select few that were just exceptional to me!!!

However, one thing surprised me very much as I looked through all these pictures...80-90% of all the trees list Japan as their origin. I understand that there is a potential for some trees to have been significantly improved since being imported...on the other hand, I am sure there are at least equally as many that have not been significantly improved.

I am not exactly sure of the selection process, but irregardless, I am a little disappointed that a European show of this magnitude would not put more emphasis on native/locally developed material.

I wonder if I have let collections, such as Walter's and a couple of others, influence my perception of the larger bonsai scene in Europe? For me, it is one thing to import high quality material to work on...and quite another to develop it from collected or grown material.

After further reflection, I personally would like to believe, and think I have seen evidence for the notion, that there are many trees in Europe that better represent the talent of the bonsai community than are represented in this particular show...

Perhaps frequency and the number of big shows is beginning to make it difficult to find enough fresh or new native and locally developed quality trees???

I would be interested in reading other's thoughts on this.
Thanks,
John[/quote]
I've just been thruogh the list and there are 34 European yamadori/ nursery stock.
52 Japanese yamadori/ nursery stock.
Not quite the 80-90 percent you counted?

John. It would be fantastic to see the majority of trees in a show like this, being of European origin. There are a growing number of enthusiasts, trying to do just that. As you mention, it takes a long time to get raw material to a showing stage, perhaps 10 years or more, whereas. Japanese yamadori, or semi trained material, can be shown within a couple of years.Not my thing but each to their own. Some people feel they have to win, and I've heard about 40-50.000 euros being paid for Japanese yamadori, just to win a show.
Most of us will never want or be able to compete with the above, let them get on with it I say.

Perhaps more interesting to monitor will be the medium- to long-term effects of the recent importing restrictions from Japan. I have a suspicion that we will start to see more and more natives appearing at European shows in the not too distant future because of this.

And very welcome it would surely be too. Why go and buy a takeaway beefburger if you can cook fillet steaks at home?

You can also look here.

fiona wrote:Perhaps more interesting to monitor will be the medium- to long-term effects of the recent importing restrictions from Japan. I have a suspicion that we will start to see more and more natives appearing at European shows in the not too distant future because of this.

And very welcome it would surely be too. Why go and buy a takeaway beefburger if you can cook fillet steaks at home?

I do hope your right Fiona. I seem to remember a few years back, that there was a run of European yamadori winners at Noelanders.I'm not sure the ban on imported trees from the Far East, includes the rest of the EU?