Phillyrea literati
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fabrice B
Storm
Bob Pressler
Milan Karpíšek
Mário Eusébio
Andrija Zokic
Seth Ellwood
Walter Pall
Eric Newton
JimLewis
Marija Hajdic
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Re: Phillyrea literati
This is a new species to me. Looks like it makes an ideal bonsai, like its relative Ligustrum. Excellent start. Please keep us up to date on this one.
JimLewis- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
JimLewis wrote:This is a new species to me. Looks like it makes an ideal bonsai, like its relative Ligustrum. Excellent start. Please keep us up to date on this one.
Yes it is ideal for bonsai! But it grows only in Mediterranean climate as a bush in karst or macchia , so that is why you did not heard for it before.
It belongs to Oleaceae family, same like ligustrum, ash, olive tree and else.
Marija Hajdic- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Here you can see dozens of these under 'very advanced broadleaved workshop':
http://walter-pall-travelogues.blogspot.com/
http://walter-pall-travelogues.blogspot.com/
Walter Pall- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Insanely awesome piece of yamadori please keep us posted on it's development.
Seth Ellwood- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Hi!
Excelent tree! Maybe I would not go for a bunjin, or maybe change a bit the angle, I think now it is a bit too stable!
Marija, here in Portugal we have also some good latifolia and lots of the angustifolia, but this last isn't so good mainly because the bark does not became so interesting! I found them more dificult to densify then the olives due to their long internodes, if we leave the shoots to grow freely it is easier to have internodes with more then 5 cms! How do You do to have short internodes?
Best Regards,
Mário Eusébio
Excelent tree! Maybe I would not go for a bunjin, or maybe change a bit the angle, I think now it is a bit too stable!
Marija, here in Portugal we have also some good latifolia and lots of the angustifolia, but this last isn't so good mainly because the bark does not became so interesting! I found them more dificult to densify then the olives due to their long internodes, if we leave the shoots to grow freely it is easier to have internodes with more then 5 cms! How do You do to have short internodes?
Best Regards,
Mário Eusébio
Mário Eusébio- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Thanks Walter!
About internodes, where you keep your trees in semi shade? First few years after collecting we don't care about internode, and usually first 1-2 season they are longer, and after they shorten. After collecting is important for branches to get thicker, so usually first season we let them grow freely, then next year cut back ... It is much important for tree to recover, than worry about internodes. Some of our newly collected olives have 7 cm internodes, but in this phase of development it is not important.
We keep latifolia in full sun all year, fertilise frequently, and water every day in Summer. When tree is healthy it is not problem to densify crown, on contrary 4 sprouts usually grows from same spot on branch, so you have to cut excess.
We have augustifolia also here, on some small areas. Old species are with bark like latifolia.Mário Eusébio wrote:
Marija, here in Portugal we have also some good latifolia and lots of the angustifolia, but this last isn't so good mainly because the bark does not became so interesting! I found them more dificult to densify then the olives due to their long internodes, if we leave the shoots to grow freely it is easier to have internodes with more then 5 cms! How do You do to have short internodes?
About internodes, where you keep your trees in semi shade? First few years after collecting we don't care about internode, and usually first 1-2 season they are longer, and after they shorten. After collecting is important for branches to get thicker, so usually first season we let them grow freely, then next year cut back ... It is much important for tree to recover, than worry about internodes. Some of our newly collected olives have 7 cm internodes, but in this phase of development it is not important.
We keep latifolia in full sun all year, fertilise frequently, and water every day in Summer. When tree is healthy it is not problem to densify crown, on contrary 4 sprouts usually grows from same spot on branch, so you have to cut excess.
Marija Hajdic- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Mário Eusébio wrote:
Excelent tree! Maybe I would not go for a bunjin
This is not tipical bunjin, but something like this: http://walter-pall.de/elmsfield_elm_nr__1.jpg.dir/index.html
Andrija Zokic- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
A very nice tree! Lovely bark, and a really good find! Only thing I have to comment, is that in my humble oppinion, I think you cut the tree back a bit much.
Looking forward to see hows its gonna be.
Looking forward to see hows its gonna be.
Storm- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Hi!
Thanks for all good explanations Marija! I have one with a very large base, maybe about 45 cms but only with 30 cms high so I should go for a diferent design. In the last Bonsai Actual magazine there is a full article by Tony Payeras from Menorca that it's very interesting about this species.
Andrija, yes I agree with You this not a typical Bunjin and I like very much the option You made, I only wish to see a trial on alternative angle to see and explore others options, maybe it could be fine with another one!
Best regards,
Mário Eusébio
Thanks for all good explanations Marija! I have one with a very large base, maybe about 45 cms but only with 30 cms high so I should go for a diferent design. In the last Bonsai Actual magazine there is a full article by Tony Payeras from Menorca that it's very interesting about this species.
Andrija, yes I agree with You this not a typical Bunjin and I like very much the option You made, I only wish to see a trial on alternative angle to see and explore others options, maybe it could be fine with another one!
Best regards,
Mário Eusébio
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Mário Eusébio- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Dear Andrija, Marija,
as everybody said, it's a very nice tree with lot of quality, strong with nice bark. My critique will be for the top because actually it seems that you have 2 tops, the one from the right is very strong and it look like another top.
I'm sure you see what i mean.
I've seen lot of your trees on Walter Traverlblog, you advanced greatly in few years and they are astonishing, what a stretan put :-)
Regard.
Fabrice
as everybody said, it's a very nice tree with lot of quality, strong with nice bark. My critique will be for the top because actually it seems that you have 2 tops, the one from the right is very strong and it look like another top.
I'm sure you see what i mean.
I've seen lot of your trees on Walter Traverlblog, you advanced greatly in few years and they are astonishing, what a stretan put :-)
Regard.
Fabrice
fabrice B- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Yes I know about that article. That is only first part published. In the second part will be also photo of one of our Phillirea. I have read article translated with Google translator but I from what I have understand that is very good article about this species. It seems that only Antoni Payeras and we have larger amount of this trees ... so far, I hope that it will change in future.Mário Eusébio wrote:Hi!
Thanks for all good explanations Marija! I have one with a very large base, maybe about 45 cms but only with 30 cms high so I should go for a diferent design. In the last Bonsai Autócno magazine there is a full article by Tony Payeras from Menorca that it's very interesting about this species.
Marija Hajdic- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Hi Marija!
Thanks, I'll be waiting for the rest of the article!
Here are some photos of the mine latifolia in the first Year after collection. (Sorry to use Your post )
I follow Your blog and it is outstanding the quality of the material that You have been collecting, congratulations!
Regards,
Mário Eusébio
Thanks, I'll be waiting for the rest of the article!
Here are some photos of the mine latifolia in the first Year after collection. (Sorry to use Your post )
I follow Your blog and it is outstanding the quality of the material that You have been collecting, congratulations!
Regards,
Mário Eusébio
Mário Eusébio- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Tree looks healthy. Don't worry about internodes in this phase!Mário Eusébio wrote:Hi Marija!
Here are some photos of the mine latifolia in the first Year after collection. (Sorry to use Your post )
Marija Hajdic- Member
Re: Phillyrea literati
Hi Walter, don't missinterpret what I said. the tree is very nice like that. Just the top from the right is very strong and could take the advantage from the center one. This is not a bad idea, it's the intern fight in the tree for light. I will post a photo of my taught tonight :-)
fabrice B- Member
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