ficus - what to do with large flat cut
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ficus - what to do with large flat cut
theBalance Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:28 pm
hi friends !
I’ve obtained 2 Ficus trees with a GREAT nebari …
Both of the trees have a very large ( cut diameter = 14 cm ) flat cut – that were done with a chain saw by the previous owner ( a regular nursery ).
Now if it was a hard wood tree, then there was no problem I would carve the cuts and make them part of the design.
But what do I do with a ficus ( that is rotting very easily ) in this situation
?
help from ficus experts will be VERY welcome
Alon
I’ve obtained 2 Ficus trees with a GREAT nebari …
Both of the trees have a very large ( cut diameter = 14 cm ) flat cut – that were done with a chain saw by the previous owner ( a regular nursery ).
Now if it was a hard wood tree, then there was no problem I would carve the cuts and make them part of the design.
But what do I do with a ficus ( that is rotting very easily ) in this situation
?help from ficus experts will be VERY welcome
Alon
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
Guest Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:56 pm
Hi The Ballance
If I am an expert in ficus?, I dont really know...But rotten wood is something else...
I would remove wood, and carve something nice soft and beliveable between the trunk and the branches, and make a beginning of a hollow trunk. Leave the wood to rot, when it is rotted enough to look real, can you give it wood "woodharder", this will stop the proses, or at least slow it dawn a LOT.
You can also carve something believeable as you say, and then give the wood invisible "woodharder"....But I cant remember, I ever saw a ficus with deadwood....so, I would prefer the hollow trunk.
Kind regards Yvonne....Walter Pall sell the " woodharder"
If I am an expert in ficus?, I dont really know...But rotten wood is something else...
I would remove wood, and carve something nice soft and beliveable between the trunk and the branches, and make a beginning of a hollow trunk. Leave the wood to rot, when it is rotted enough to look real, can you give it wood "woodharder", this will stop the proses, or at least slow it dawn a LOT.
You can also carve something believeable as you say, and then give the wood invisible "woodharder"....But I cant remember, I ever saw a ficus with deadwood....so, I would prefer the hollow trunk.
Kind regards Yvonne....Walter Pall sell the " woodharder"
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
theBalance Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:11 pm
hi Yvonne ,
10x so much for your prompt reply...
your suggestions will solve the problem I am facing, BUT due to the softness of the ficus wood I will need to use a LOT of wood hardner...and I think it will slow the process just a bit...
so your reply is actually helping me to refine my question...
is there a solution / technique that will not require the use of a wood hardner...
maybe there is no choice but let the wood rot..so it will become hollow trunk ? maybe there is a technique to "help" the tree close the cut ?
I am sure I am not the only one facing a ficus with large flat cut
alon
10x so much for your prompt reply...
your suggestions will solve the problem I am facing, BUT due to the softness of the ficus wood I will need to use a LOT of wood hardner...and I think it will slow the process just a bit...
so your reply is actually helping me to refine my question...
is there a solution / technique that will not require the use of a wood hardner...
maybe there is no choice but let the wood rot..so it will become hollow trunk ? maybe there is a technique to "help" the tree close the cut ?
I am sure I am not the only one facing a ficus with large flat cut
alon
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
Guest Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:18 pm
I would need to see photos then...but a hollow you can se from the outside is not that bad, it is a matter of a nice opening of the trunk from the outside.
Kind regards Yvonne
Kind regards Yvonne
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theBalance Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:45 am
hi,
i'm attaching an image of one of the ficus
so you can see an example...of the challenge I am facing...
again - the main question is not what design will you make of the attached tree
but
what are the options I have with ficus with such cuts
10x!
alon
i'm attaching an image of one of the ficus
so you can see an example...of the challenge I am facing...
again - the main question is not what design will you make of the attached tree
but
what are the options I have with ficus with such cuts
10x!
alon
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
Guest Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:40 am
This one would I let grow and see where it shoots. And then show photos again.
Kind regards Yvonne
Kind regards Yvonne
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this is another riddle
theBalance Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:09 pm
the attached picture was taken 1 month ago, after I did complete deflotation...
the only place the tree grows new shoots is from the same plave in this picture
altougth all the trunk is green - it doesn't shoot from no other place
very strange...
but given this is the only place he is shooting - what will you do ?
10x!
alon
theBalance- Member
Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
JimLewis Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:25 pm
Another option would be to make a rounded, hollowed cut, slanted so water doesn't stay on it. It looks from the picture that this would have he added benefit of eliminating some obvious reverse taper.
I don't think you said what kind of fig this was, but I have several chopped figs and am getting little or no rot. The chops on mine were, however, more diagonal. This picture was taken was several years ago, but several years after the cut. The tree is MUCH smaller than yours, but I have always lived in very humid, rainy environments and have had no rot. It is a willow-leaf fig.
I don't think you said what kind of fig this was, but I have several chopped figs and am getting little or no rot. The chops on mine were, however, more diagonal. This picture was taken was several years ago, but several years after the cut. The tree is MUCH smaller than yours, but I have always lived in very humid, rainy environments and have had no rot. It is a willow-leaf fig.
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
jrodriguez Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:24 pm
JimLewis wrote:Another option would be to make a rounded, hollowed cut, slanted so water doesn't stay on it.
Jim,
This is a mistake. Ficus cambium needs wood to grow over. Hollowing the cut will only produce healing tissue to a certain point, only stopping right before the deepest areas of the hollow. Flat cuts work better. You are right bout one thing. The trees overall structure might be improoved by eliminating some of the redundant portions you mention. Instead of a V cut, a flat angle cut will be better suited for this tree.
From the looks of the bark, it is probably in the benjamina family.
Regards,
Jose Luis
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
theBalance Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:16 pm
hi Jose,
10x for your inputs...
first of all - an updated image from yesterday
you are correct - it is from the benjamina family - a varaity we call "natasha".
jose - can you please help me understand 2 things :
1. you basicly say that : "Ficus cambium needs wood to grow over" - does this mean that what ever surface I will create, evantually the cambium in the edges will grow over it ? even if it is a huge area ?
2. do you have any idea why the ficus is growing branches from only one place ? altougth all the trunk is green and alive ? and what can I do to "force" him to grow branches from the "other" thick branch. - just for clarification - the "continue" of the "other" thick branch was dead and was removed like you can see here :
the trunk is green !
10x very much!
alon
10x for your inputs...
first of all - an updated image from yesterday
you are correct - it is from the benjamina family - a varaity we call "natasha".
jose - can you please help me understand 2 things :
1. you basicly say that : "Ficus cambium needs wood to grow over" - does this mean that what ever surface I will create, evantually the cambium in the edges will grow over it ? even if it is a huge area ?
2. do you have any idea why the ficus is growing branches from only one place ? altougth all the trunk is green and alive ? and what can I do to "force" him to grow branches from the "other" thick branch. - just for clarification - the "continue" of the "other" thick branch was dead and was removed like you can see here :
the trunk is green !
10x very much!
alon
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theBalance- Member
Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
jrodriguez Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:29 pm
Alon,
Members of the Benjamina family are a bit uneasy and finnicky when it comes to branch production. If you wish to have branches grow from the left side in terms of developing a strong second trunk/left branch, I suggest for you to approach graft a branch in that point. With the strong development you have of young shoots, this should be easy to perform.
Warm regards,
Jose Luis
Members of the Benjamina family are a bit uneasy and finnicky when it comes to branch production. If you wish to have branches grow from the left side in terms of developing a strong second trunk/left branch, I suggest for you to approach graft a branch in that point. With the strong development you have of young shoots, this should be easy to perform.
Warm regards,
Jose Luis
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Flat Cut
bonsaisr Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:48 pm
Yes. I have a 'Kiki' with gaps in the trunk. I will probably have to thread graft it.
However, I have a standard variegated F. benjamina (houseplant) that had a long trunk with no branches near the bottom. Wouldn't bud back after drastic pruning. I finally got disgusted and chopped it a few inches from the bottom. Low and bee holed, it put out a shoot & is growing into a new tree.
Iris
However, I have a standard variegated F. benjamina (houseplant) that had a long trunk with no branches near the bottom. Wouldn't bud back after drastic pruning. I finally got disgusted and chopped it a few inches from the bottom. Low and bee holed, it put out a shoot & is growing into a new tree.
Iris
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Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
theBalance Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:23 pm
Iris & Jose - regarding the grafting I agree - will need to decide if thread or approch, 10x very much for sharing your expirience
Jose - regarding what you said about "ficus cambium grows over dead wood"
please look at another ficus ( same variety ) - if I understand correctly from what you said in the future the "dead wood" areas will be "covered" with live tisue ?
close up on one of the "dead wood" spots :
10x!
alon
Jose - regarding what you said about "ficus cambium grows over dead wood"
please look at another ficus ( same variety ) - if I understand correctly from what you said in the future the "dead wood" areas will be "covered" with live tisue ?
close up on one of the "dead wood" spots :
10x!
alon
theBalance- Member
Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
jrodriguez Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:47 pm
theBalance wrote:Iris & Jose - regarding the grafting I agree - will need to decide if thread or approch, 10x very much for sharing your expirience
Jose - regarding what you said about "ficus cambium grows over dead wood"
please look at another ficus ( same variety ) - if I understand correctly from what you said in the future the "dead wood" areas will be "covered" with live tisue ?
close up on one of the "dead wood" spots :
Alon,
Yes, but only if you place it in a large pot and let it grow.
Regards,
Jose Luis
10x!
alon
jrodriguez- Member
Re: ficus - what to do with large flat cut
Ẩn khách Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:25 pm
With this Ficus you should remove the item to the fresh wood. Like so do jin. Do not worry after this it will be pulled quickly scars. And created a strange definition on the trunk that you own.theBalance wrote:Iris & Jose - regarding the grafting I agree - will need to decide if thread or approch, 10x very much for sharing your expirience
Jose - regarding what you said about "ficus cambium grows over dead wood"
please look at another ficus ( same variety ) - if I understand correctly from what you said in the future the "dead wood" areas will be "covered" with live tisue ?
close up on one of the "dead wood" spots :
10x!
alon
Ẩn khách- Member
Ẩn khách
theBalance Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:29 pm
hi Ẩn khách,
my friend, I didn't fully understand your advise...was it to injure the tree until I reach a living tissue ? if so - where ? on the dead surface or on the edges where the tree is forming a new tissue
10x !
alon
my friend, I didn't fully understand your advise...was it to injure the tree until I reach a living tissue ? if so - where ? on the dead surface or on the edges where the tree is forming a new tissue
10x !
alon
theBalance- Member
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