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Euonymus sieboldiana

Post  William N. Valavanis on Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:56 pm

Moderator comment: It's not every day a gentleman asks me to look at his apricots, but once I'd got back up off the ground, I worked out that Russell was asking me hive off a section of Bill's contribution to his Ume thread as it was worthy of a thread all of its own. I agree. Here it is. The rest of the original thread can be found HERE. Enjoy. (Fiona)


Russell,
Sorry, I don't have any for sale, only the one bonsai, and another one with pink flowers. I'm not certain if they are easily started from seed.

Enjoy the photos.









Looking at these photos again they look like horticultural pornography!









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Post  coh on Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:01 pm

Bill, that second tree is one of my favorites of yours - that bark is trememdous.

Russell, I found a variety of euonymus europea (or europeaus, whatever) that looks similar, at least the fruits. They are a little larger and more red in color (photo below). I don't know how the growth habit will compare to the other species that Bill has, whether they develop nice bark, etc. I think the variety name is "Red Ace" or "Red Cascade", I'd have to look it up. Let me know if interested.

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Post  Russell Coker on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:14 pm



Bill, those are beautiful. I had never seen those before my incarceration at the Bonsai Park, Rokkaku loved them. To be honest, I don't know how much heat they can take. Euonymous aren't common garden plants down here except for a couple of horrible evergreen shrubby types that mostly just get covered in scale. Even E. alatus, common burning bush, isn't happy here so I have my doubts. That goes for the European one also, Chris.

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Post  William N. Valavanis on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:18 pm

Russell,

Thanks, glad you like my bonsai art. By the way, last spring I cut the top off the pink euonymus, the one with the heavy trunk. If you look closely, the terminal was moving to the right and I wanted it to go left. So, now it has a new upper trunk line in training. Bonsai are never finished, and that's part of the joy in cultivating bonsai!

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Post  Russell Coker on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:36 pm

I did notice that! I've never seen bark like that on mayumi. They were always pale like your smaller one, and rather smooth even on larger and older bonsai. Even on trees, for that matter. Is that some kind of 'cork-bark' variety?

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Post  fiona on Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:49 pm

I agree about the horticultural pornography. Cracking trees. I'd like any more info on this species as you can throw at us, Bill.

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:53 pm


Thanks Fiona!

Like I said, I love this tree. Great sentimental one for me, and I don't want to see good info lost in an unrelated thread.

After a little snooping it appears the correct name is actually Euonymus hamiltonianus ssp. sieboldianus. I don't think it can take my heat and lack of winter, but I wouldn't mind trying a small one to see what happens. Chris, it looks like that goes for E europaeus too.

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Post  Ed Trout on Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:03 pm

Absolutely gorgeous Bill ! Tell me about that first pot. I don't think I've ever seen that one before.

Happy Holidays to you & The Family,

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Post  William N. Valavanis on Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:08 pm

Ed,

The square blue container is Chinese of Canton ware. I've had it for over 30 years. I think I have two of them, but can't remember where they came from. Perhaps Mr. Lee, who lived in NJ, but returned to China.

Happy Holidays to your family!
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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:25 pm



Yes, nice pot. Ok, back to euonymus...

So Bill what's the story with the big, barky one?

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Post  coh on Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:08 pm

Russell Coker wrote:

Bill, those are beautiful. I had never seen those before my incarceration at the Bonsai Park, Rokkaku loved them. To be honest, I don't know how much heat they can take. Euonymous aren't common garden plants down here except for a couple of horrible evergreen shrubby types that mostly just get covered in scale. Even E. alatus, common burning bush, isn't happy here so I have my doubts. That goes for the European one also, Chris.

Russell, you may know already, but there appears to be an American version of euonymus (Euonymus americanus, of course) that has similar fruits. A little web searching revealed that it is known to grow in your area, though I don't know if it thrives. Maybe that would be something worth exploring?

As for the E. europeaus, I was able to find plants at Forest Farm, I think they were $8 each for "tubes". They're small but reasonably priced for experimenting if you're so inclined.

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Post  Randy_Davis on Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:48 pm

Russell Coker wrote:After a little snooping it appears the correct name is actually Euonymus hamiltonianus ssp. sieboldianus.

R

Russell,

According to the Missouri Botanic Gardens and Kew Gardens "plant list" they have dropped the "ssp. sieboldianus" so the correct name is just plain old Euonymus hamiltonianus. Don't you just love botanists! Smile

Refernce link:http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-6600762

Bill,

Those are just both lovely trees indeed! I'm captivated by that barky one like Russell is.

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Post  drgonzo on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:32 pm

William N. Valavanis wrote:

Russell,
Sorry, I don't have any for sale, only the one bonsai, and another one with pink flowers. I'm not certain if they are easily started from seed.


Euonymous clone out very easily from greenwood or hardwood cuttings....hint..... hint.....
-Jay

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Post  Russell Coker on Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:32 pm

coh wrote: Russell, you may know already, but there appears to be an American version of euonymus (Euonymus americanus, of course) that has similar fruits. A little web searching revealed that it is known to grow in your area, though I don't know if it thrives. Maybe that would be something worth exploring?

As for the E. europeaus, I was able to find plants at Forest Farm, I think they were $8 each for "tubes". They're small but reasonably priced for experimenting if you're so inclined.

Chris


Chris, I've never seen americanus amount to anything - just green sticks. It grows wild around be and is called "hearts-a-bursting". Forest Farm IS a good source, and has E. hamiltonianus ssp. sieboldianus too. I've always said that I don't belive it won't grow here until I've killed several, so I may just need to give them a try.

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Post  Michaeliezza on Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:40 pm

Simply amazing

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:44 pm

Hey plant nerd extra-ordinarie,

you will be please to know we may have a tropical verson, listed as fiddlewood [ white and black ]

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/2000/archives/2000/in_the_garden/trees_and_palms/fiddlewood

images -

https://www.google.tt/search?q=fiddlewood&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4TSHB_en___TT342&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=u856UMjEMbSC0QGdyIDoAw&ved=0CBsQsAQ&biw=1093&bih=483

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I just didn't know how to attack the situation. Very often I just adapt a known temperate Bonsai to an idea for a tropical type. Example Fustic to Zelkova, and then let it expand.
Presently I am adapting the idea of another Japanese tree to our local tree.

Thanks a million the second image was what I needed to see!!!!!
Excitedly.
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