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Post  Daniel J. on Sat May 28, 2011 9:37 am

and this is my another tree azalea, like it very much what do you think about it, looking for a new pot, and solid trim after flowering.
https://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/16/52/21/42/37_aza14.jpg

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Post  greenstar on Sat May 28, 2011 10:11 am

Up for you.

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Post  xuan le on Sat May 28, 2011 10:45 am

Nice tree Daniel, do you know what variety it is?

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Post  Daniel J. on Sat May 28, 2011 10:45 am

thx for You for help Very Happy

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Post  Daniel J. on Sat May 28, 2011 10:46 am

I think the variety Kaho

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Post  Russell Coker on Sat May 28, 2011 12:51 pm

Not Kaho. Maybe 'Asahi-no-Hikari'.

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Post  Glaucus on Sat May 28, 2011 4:36 pm

I can't tell the difference between 'Asahi no Hikari' and 'Gyoten'. But because I see no white flowers I guess 'Gyoten'. But then I have seen pictures where 'Gyoten' has white flowers and where 'Asahi no Hikari' has only lightly coloured ones.

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Post  Russell Coker on Sat May 28, 2011 5:47 pm

That would be a really BIG 'gyoten'. I see too much green in the throat, too pale, and too wavey of petals to be 'gyoten'.

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Post  Glaucus on Sat May 28, 2011 6:20 pm

I think you are right. Colours is hard to judge in pictures. But I can see the flower wavyness argument.

Anyway, the main difference in dictionary description is pale pink for 'Asahi no Hikari' vs pale purple red.

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Post  Daniel J. on Sat May 28, 2011 8:27 pm

I'm not sure if it's Kaho can any of you answer me.
tree is about 1 m high. nebari 45 wide, the tree is still not mature for several years but will be nice so I have a plan.
am still learning and need a lot of informations

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Post  Glaucus on Sat May 28, 2011 8:45 pm

Not 'Kaho' but ''Asahi no Hikari':

http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/image/82412128

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Post  Russell Coker on Sat May 28, 2011 9:12 pm

Daniel J. wrote:I'm not sure if it's Kaho can any of you answer me.
tree is about 1 m high. nebari 45 wide, the tree is still not mature for several years but will be nice so I have a plan.
am still learning and need a lot of informations

Daniel, we've given you the information - 'Asahi-no-Hikari', NOT 'Kaho'.

You're lucky to have such a large satsuki, such a beautiful bonsai, and such a beautiful flower as 'Asahi-no-hikari'.

Good luck!!

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Post  Storm on Sat May 28, 2011 10:07 pm

Hey Jason, I mean Daniel.
Great tree! Got any options for a new pot? I think I would go for one thats lower and a bit wider atleast.
Thanks for sharing.

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Post  Daniel J. on Mon May 30, 2011 9:56 am

flower

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/42/dsc00754nu.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/dsc00755yn.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/818/dsc00757t.jpg/
maybe this will help in identifying the variety of my azaleas Embarassed

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon May 30, 2011 1:23 pm

Russell Coker wrote: Daniel, we've given you the information - 'Asahi-no-Hikari', NOT 'Kaho'.

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Post  Glaucus on Mon May 30, 2011 4:00 pm

Ihre Azalee ist Asahi-no-Hikari'.

Twoja azalia jest 'Asahi-no-Hikari'.

Maybe that helps.

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon May 30, 2011 4:40 pm

Glaucus wrote:Ihre Azalee ist Asahi-no-Hikari'.

Twoja azalia jest 'Asahi-no-Hikari'.

Maybe that helps.

God I hope so because I give up!

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Post  Daniel J. on Mon May 30, 2011 6:58 pm

http://www.parlonsbonsai.com/Les-azalees-satsuki-les.html
it can explain everything to you. and helps all sunny

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon May 30, 2011 7:30 pm

Nice site, but it's still not 'Kaho'.

But since you are convinced that is what you have, congratulations on your lovely 'Kaho' that's 1 m high with nebari 45 cm wide.

I officially give up.

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Post  Daniel J. on Mon May 30, 2011 7:58 pm

http://www.parlonsbonsai.com/IMG/jpg/Asahi-No-Hikari.jpg thumbs up
unless you were right. great thanks for your help flower

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Post  xuan le on Mon May 30, 2011 8:23 pm

Hi Daniel,
Here are a few close up pictures of my Asahi no hikari for you to compare with your trees flowers. I hope that will help
Regards.
Xuan












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Post  Russell Coker on Tue May 31, 2011 12:54 am

Daniel J. wrote:http://www.parlonsbonsai.com/IMG/jpg/Asahi-No-Hikari.jpg thumbs up
unless you were right. great thanks for your help flower

Daniel,

Please understand that it is EXTREMELY difficult to identify the vast majority of satsuki from pictures. It is true that many are obvious and rather easy. But for others it can be a matter of splitting hairs. The site you reference is very limited. It should show the variety of several flowers for a specific satsuki and not just one. I think this is where your confusion is coming from.

Also, 'Kaho' is almost all white with splashes of pink, both solid dark pink and a softer pink with speckles in the throat. Your plant has too much pink for 'Kaho', so I would then say 'Gyoten'. BUT your satsuki is HUGE and the flower has a wavy edge, so I go from 'Kaho'/'Gyoten' to 'Eikan/'Asahi-no-hikari'. 'Eikan' is also mostly white so I exclude it too, which leaves us 'Asahi-no-hikari', a sport of 'Eikan' with many shade of pink. Some are pale like the picture on the site you show, others are darker like Xuan's. The name means "light of dawn", very appropriate, don't you think?

Your satsuki is so big that even without flowers I would have guessed 'Eikan'. It's almost too big to be 'Kaho'. Some of the biggest satsuki bonsai in Japan are 'Eikan'. It grows very fast and develops into a fine bonsai very quickly. 'Asahi-no-hikari' is very beautiful mutation of 'Eikan'.

I hope this helps.

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Post  Glaucus on Tue May 31, 2011 8:38 am

Most of those pictures are actually from Camp Hill:
http://www.ag.auburn.edu/hort/landscape/CampHillAzaleas.html

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Post  Daniel J. on Tue May 31, 2011 10:01 am

Thank you for your help, it really is difficult. for 98% of you are right it is Asahi-no-hikari'.
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Post  Russell Coker on Tue May 31, 2011 10:30 pm

Glaucus wrote:Most of those pictures are actually from Camp Hill:
http://www.ag.auburn.edu/hort/landscape/CampHillAzaleas.html

Although the website is still up, the Camp Hill collection (about 3 hours from me) was abandoned by Auburn University this past spring. Actually here in Mobile at our botanical garden we have one of the largest azalea collections is the eastern USA, and probably the largest satsuki collection in the country. My hope is that we can start documenting what we have here, and do a better job of showing the variation of flowers on a single given variety - something that the Camp Hill site sorely lacks.

While it is a nice collection with good photos, it simply is too general to be used to identify satsuki based on a single picture. The way I see it you should be able to click on any of those names and see several pictures that give an honest representation of the variety. That's something we'll be working towards, I feel my "to do" list becoming a lot longer.

BTW, Mobile is known as "The Azalea City".

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