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Post  JimLewis on Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:01 pm

I just discovered that www.bonsaimonk.com now offers "Tokonome training pots."

I didn't know there were such things.

Take a look: http://secure.trappist.net/estore/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BM&Category_Code=newpots

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Post  Oliver Muscio on Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:47 pm

Yes, I saw those a couple of days ago, too. I don't know, at $90 for an 18" "training pot", Tokonome or not, I think I'll just build a wooden grow-box until the tree is ready for a better pot.
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Post  jrodriguez on Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:28 pm

Tokoname!

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:08 am

Yes, Jim,

in my last order of pots from them, I bought the smallest sized. It is the same as our - sapote - earthenware clay, with a glazed band.
A coarse version of the shape is already made locally, and our yellow quarry stone is very similar to the yellow akadama, porous, but more durable.

I have been checking little by little, our material against the Japanese or Chinese stuff. Thus far not bad, and at least one local potter uses a stoneware body with ash glazes, but there is no demand for bonsai shaped containers.

We are however very deficient in a white clay for any firing range. Too much iron.

The Tokoname pot is being used for one of my Japanese Black Pines, and I will let you know how it wears.
Later.
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Tokoname Training Pots

Post  bonsaisr on Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:23 am

jrodriguez wrote:Tokoname!
Save your blood pressure Jose. Sleep Very few people get it right. They have it mixed up with tokonoma.
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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:57 am

For training periods any clay pot or wooden box of a reasonable size will do.

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Post  Guest on Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:21 am

A ridiculous amount of money. Normal terracota pots for me.

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Post  ogie on Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:52 am

Unless its for show tokoname is out.People getting pratical
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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:30 am

Perhaps, that shape of pot is simply to help create the radial root spread ?
And in giving the root spread help the branches as well?
Most terracotta pots tend to be too deep and narrow at the top.
[ Terracotta and winter - How do the Japanese do it ?]

When I ordered pots with a proportion similar to the Tokoname wares, root spread was very easy. The local potter, even made me three sizes, to the one I ordered and increased his sales - Laughing
[ I ordered the equivalent in size to the most expensive of the Tokoname earthenware pots from Bonsai at the Monastery------- by the way, those guys always do an excellent job for me [ B.A.T.M]]

I gave up on wood years ago, even though throw away onion and garlic crates are still abundant.

As local potting went, the pots were very coarse of appearance, and certainly not mould pressed Laughing
and I got rid of them as fast as I could.

Shipping fired clay even by sea crate, must be expensive in the US?
Anyone notice how similar the Chinese high fired eartheware pots from Lotus International mimic ancient pots ?
Have fun all.
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Post  JimLewis on Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:34 pm

I usually use the so-called "azalea pots" because they are wider and a little shallower than normal terra cotta or plastic garden pots. They sometimes are hard to find, though.

Clubs can buy plastic ones at bulk here: http://www.growersupply.com/azealeapots.html

Or, HD has the terracotta models: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202521714&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&locStoreNum=3608

Other: http://www.thefind.com/garden/info-azalea-pots

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:58 pm

I use green plastic bulb pans for training. They are 1/2 as high as they are wide. A 12 inch wide pot is six inches deep. I buy them in case sizes from a manufacturer in the north central states. The pots come in 50 or 100 pot cases depending upon the size of the pot. I pay UPS shipping also, but even then a 12 inch bulb pan cost out at about $2.00 I think.

If the group is interested I will further research my supplier, since I can't remember the details at the moment.

I simply call on the phone, give a credit card number and they ship. Last time I ordered a case of 12 inch, 10 inch and a case of hanging baskets for our church. I sold a few pots, at cost, to club members.

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Post  Russell Coker on Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:39 pm

JimLewis wrote:I usually use the so-called "azalea pots" because they are wider and a little shallower than normal terra cotta or plastic garden pots. They sometimes are hard to find, though.

Clubs can buy plastic ones at bulk here: http://www.growersupply.com/azealeapots.html

Or, HD has the terracotta models: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=202521714&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&locStoreNum=3608

Other: http://www.thefind.com/garden/info-azalea-pots

That's the ticket. If you want a clay pot this is the way to go. Home depot stocks them and I guess Lowe's does too. For the price, I can live without a glazed rim.

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Post  EdMerc on Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:19 pm

I don't think I'll be getting one of those any time soon. My local terracotta pots seem to work just fine.

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Post  Jay Gaydosh on Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:15 pm

When it comes to training pots, nothing beats yard sales, flea markets and garden centers. I get starter pots from the local nursery for $.25/each. For another $.50/each, I can usually pick up the trays that hold 6 to 10 pots. The trays are great for keeping individual pots from blowing over.

For larger growing boxes, I take wooden pallets, cut them down to the size I need and line with screen wire.. Pallets can usually be found for FREE (my favorite price.) Another source for shallow flat trays would be the standard bread flat that commercial bread companies use to deliver bread to the stores. Most pallets are made of untreated wood. If making your grow boxes out of scrap lumber be careful for treated lumber, wear gloves, wash hands, etc.

(As with anything scrounged...get permission first or you could end up with legal battles on your hands.)

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Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:06 pm

One for you Jay,

styrofoam / styrotex grape packing boxes, and they can be painted with acrylic paint. Use newspaper sheets to hold in the soil and with time the paper rots, but by that time the soil is normally root bound.
Have fun scrounging or just asking.
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