Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

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Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:55 pm

I bought this on E Bay and didn't pay much. After reading some in the book by Elias and Nakaoji I am not sure it is real.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  ogie on Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:29 pm

Hi Billy,
I think the stone has been stain with a special ink like a tatoo machine for drawing the design. I think your hunch is right..just my observation only.thanks for posting.
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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Kev Bailey on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:11 pm

Doesn't look authentic to me either. Sorry Billy.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  popan vasile on Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:01 am

When did articles on the forging of documents, I started to rock slightly on this topic. I have read and studied all the material found on the net. What do you say there is an example of a false material, so I see, a fairly weak, we saw more success in this area. You should not blame those who made him ... maybe it's the only way for counterfeiters to give a piece of bread Families.
Sorry Billy ... but still remains a beautiful stone.
Sorry for my bad English, I hope that they understand what I meant.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Guest on Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:05 pm

very not real Billy. lines are to perfect and unnatural. very one dimensional also.
very poor faking technique too, sorry Billy.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  popan vasile on Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:15 pm

Hi Jun

You're right, it's drawing too perfect, too perfect petals ... is very poor imitation.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  ogie on Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:31 pm

Hi Billy,
Did you see this same stone at ebay when you decide to go through with the aquisition?Sometimes this guys get away scotfree Evil or Very Mad

Rgards,
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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:36 pm

ogie wrote:Hi Billy,
Did you see this same stone at ebay when you decide to go through with the aquisition?Sometimes this guys get away scotfree Evil or Very Mad

Rgards,
Alex

Alex

I would be easy to fool and E Bay resolutions are not that great.

Billy



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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  ogie on Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:42 pm

Hi Billy
Same situation here before thats why i avoid ebay now.Hope you can go ASPAC Japan next year so i can meet you guys somehow.Keep well Billy

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:37 pm

I might get to ASPAC. At this time I have a deposit down on a trip to Japan in Feb. 2011, but the organizer is not sure there will be enough signing up to make the trip happen, so the trip would be canceled and I will get my deposit back. There is another group going from the US in Feb. 2011 and if I get my deposit back in time, I might go with that group.

OR, I know Bonsai Clubs International has a trip organized for Nov. 2011 to visit ASPAC and the other big show in Japan. As I understand it ASPAC and the other show are one week apart and this tour would cover both.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Chris Cochrane on Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:53 pm

Hi Billy... I do not think this is an imitation chrysanthemum stone, but I imagine the stone's matrix is painted black with sumi ink & that some of what appear as petals are exposed areas of a stone with a "light-gray" rather than "black" matrix. The painting suggests a more-distinct radial pattern, but its artfulness is overdone. Most of the stone appears unpolished, and I would attempt to wash-off the black ink to expose what is real. If the stone is simply artificial, the matrix will be black so nothing will wash away.

With its petals reaching back to a central disk & some radial straight lines that are not particularly distinct, chances are better than others' suggest that this is a real chrysanthemum stone. Of course, you can always enjoy it for its painting. I'm intrigued by the mystery.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:00 pm

Chris

Thanks for the encouragement.

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Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  ngoquangvu on Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:12 am

Hi friends , I think that this stone is fake - Imitation crysanthemum stone.
http://chrysanthemumstone.com.au/pages/chrysanthemum_index.php

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Post  Guest on Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:31 am

[quote="Billy M. Rhodes"]I bought this on E Bay and didn't pay much. After reading some in the book by Elias and Nakaoji I am not sure it is real.

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Hi Billy

I just saw stones like yours on the E-bay. The adwert say an old man is cutting the stones, and then paint them.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  ngoquangvu on Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:54 pm

In Vietnam , someone used natural black stones coated by quartzite , they used fine cutting machine to carve it.

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Re: Fake or Real Chrysanthemum stone

Post  Chris Cochrane on Fri Dec 17, 2010 2:58 pm

Hi Ngoquangvu... Please post photos of such stones. The fakes which the Elias/Nakaoji text describe were not made of rock crystal.

The crystal structure apparent in Billy's stone is separate from the too perfect petals 'created' by leaving part of the stone unpainted. If someone were to try crafting a chrysanthemum stone with intaglio crystal chips, they would unlikely craft an indistinct image in stone & then paint it. Billy's stone bears little relation to your description of stone crafting.

The flower pattern in Billy's stone is indistinct but not indistinguishable. It is not far from the less realistic flower patterns seen on stones priced at $800 as "natural stones" on the Australian web site to which you shared a link. Those are more processed than Billy's specimen. Once a pattern is uncovered, the craftsman takes a risk in seeking to enhance it. If the pattern is not clear, it can easily be erased by further carving.

Through experience, those who work these stones must learn which are worth processing by carving, & which are only worth painting. Many finely carved stones are painted including stones on the Australian web site.

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