Juniperus communis - yamadori 2007

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:05 am

Hi all bonsai friends.

The owner of Juniperus is my friend. Yesterday I tried the first styling of the tree. I think that we have managed to create interesting compositions. Wink What do you think? Smile

pict. 1 - original yamadori







Juniperuus after first styling



Pavel

more pict.: http://www.bonsaivigi.cz/fotoalbum/tvarovani-a-vyvoj---styling-and-development/juniperus-communis---yamadori-2007-_m_skrabal_


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Post  Ian Young on Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:12 pm

Pavel,

Very nice. The foliage looks a lot finer than the varieties growing wild in Ireland. They are notoriously hard to collect here and like to take a number of years to die slowly. What sort of survival rate do you get? Any tips? :-)

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Post  Pavel Slovák on Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:42 pm

Hi Ian.
There are many varieties of Juniperus communis. Yes, it is difficult to collect Juniperus communis. It is necessary to carefully select the site with healthy trees. With the ability to choose as many roots. The pick-up is necessary to select the correct period in the development tree. For me it meant the beginning of spring sprouting. In the past four years I have collected six trees, Juniperus communis. Are all right.About ten years ago, we gathered all three trees and two years of gradually died as a result of unknown fungal disease. He really wants to collect the trees healthy and must be sought. Not to collect everything and at any time. Wink

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Post  eric sanders on Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:08 pm

hello pavel,

great movement in the trunk,and a very nice reflection off the foliage.
must say very nice work. Wink

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Post  Ian Young on Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:58 pm

Thanks Pavel. The fungal disease you refer to is a big problem. I read somewhere that 80% of Common Junipers in the wild have it! They seem to cope with it in the wild but not after collection. It has a habit of killing important branches!! I guess wherever you live in the world, common junipers are hard to collect but possibly worth the effort.

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Post  Kev Bailey on Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:13 pm

Lovely communis Juniper, Pavel.

This difficulty of collection of this species is a topic that I'm very interested in and one that has surfaced more than once on the IBC before. Many theories have been put forward, but this one is completely new to me. It is nice to know that there could be a logical reason. Now, is there a fungicide that would clear up the problem prior to, or after collection?

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Post  Ian Young on Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:15 pm

Kev,
You can see the signs of the fungal infection on the trunk and branches. It tends to swell the area and has a dappled look to it. Not easy to see at times, but it's there. The fungus usually appears/flowers with gusto in Feb/March time, usually after a heavy shower of rain. Literally overnight the tree sprouts an orange gel type fungus. It can swell a lot and sometimes can split the cambium. I keep meaning to photograph it. I have a few in the garden but the cold snap this year seems to have delayed the fungus flowering this year. I'll have the camera at the ready :-)

I've tried a few treatments but this type of 'rust' seems to survive deep in the wood. 'Bonsai from the Wild' By A.N. Lenz has a brilliant piece about this rust and even though it's American based it sounds identical to our European one. He states that the only way to get rid is to burn the tree!!

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Post  eric sanders on Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:45 pm

i have to say that mister lenz is right. gymnosporangium spp that,s the name off the fungus.
you can read a lot on google about it.
the dutch name is perenroest.

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Post  Ian Young on Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:26 pm

Just remembered that I took these shots of the fungus on a common juniper last week. The great weather we are having seems to be holding it back this year. No doubt in the next heavy rain shower it will explode! As you can see it runs along he branch as opposed to around it, that said it can overwhelm smaller branches causing their demise.



This one shows how the branch will swell in the infected area.


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Post  littleart-fx on Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:15 pm

Hi! all.

Lost a few trees and tried a lot,....nothing seems to work!
And i tried a lot,...

Its alway's a pitty to get rid of trees!

grtz m

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Re: Juniperus communis - yamadori 2007

Post  Paul Landis on Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:22 am

The rust Mr. Lenz refers to is Cedar Apple Rust. It is quite prevalent here in the eastern US. It is a rust that requires 2 types of trees to complete its life cycle. The galls (the orange ones) turn into globby gel like flowers after a rain and when they dry again explode sending out their spores. This stage is seen in Junipers which host the galls. The most common ones are Eastern Red cedar(Juniperus Virginiana) and Juniperus Communis although the galls can be found on any type of juniper. The second stage is the rust that forms on the leaves of infected apples, crabapples, quince etc. as a result of the spores. Although a serious infection can weaken a tree, Cedar apple rust is generally not a life threatening condition for either tree. That being said--I'm not running an orchard, in which case I'm sure this fungus would be far more troubling to me!!

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treatment for this rust?

Post  Tony on Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:25 am

Is there any treatment for this rust? It seams that you can do a huge amount of work for nothing if you end up getting this problem.

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Post  Tom on Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:38 am

some more info: http://plantclinic.cornell.edu/FactSheets/cedar-applerust/cedar-applerust.htm

A bonsai nursery near me has stopped stocking Japanese flowering quince for this reason.

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Post  mendo80 on Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:02 pm




wooooww!!!! great job!! ThumbsUp ThumbsUp ThumbsUp

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Post  Paul Landis on Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:16 am

Tony--as far as I know a standard regimen of fungicides should take care of it.

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Post  Ian Young on Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:06 pm

Its's been dry here for a few weeks (hard to believe, I know!!) but today we had a thunder storm and I decided to check on the juniper as this is usually when the fungus expands. As expected it had grown considerably during the storm and will probably expand further over night. I sprayed with a fungicide but this particular type can lie deep in heartwood and prove stubborn to shift. You can compare the shots below with the ones a few weeks ago above.






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Post  Guest on Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:48 pm

Hello Ian. Very interesting thread and thanks for the information. I take it you or someone collected this tree from the wild? It looks quite healthy and the buds seem quite vigourous. Will this Juniper die in time, or can you control the fungus?

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Post  Ian Young on Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:07 am

Will,

I have collected Common Juniper here over the years. I collected this one about 10 years ago. It grows well except for the fungus issues. I have sprayed it with just about everything on the market! Some years it seems to work and things look great, then out of the blue it's back. I think it survives deep in the heartwood and is therefore always going to be there. It is after all what makes the great deadwood in nature. Some absolute stunning ones where I used to collect. I haven't bothered collecting them for years now, too painful to see them die after maybe 6 or 7 years work. Even if they don't die they will throw branches due to the swelling and bursting of the cambium by the fungus. This is somewhat annoying if its an important branch! You can find some without the fungus but I would say that 80% in the wild have it. I would only every collect one again if it was a stunner and showed no signs of infection. After recent posts on here I'm looking for a decent blackthorn site now :-)

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juniper

Post  alex e on Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:45 am

Hi Ian can I make a suggestion,clean and remove all the old and flaky
bark first with a very mild solution of soapy water & toothbrush or similar,
THEN!! give it a dose of fungicide hope this helps,keep us posted on the result.



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Post  Guest on Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:28 pm

I avoid systemics, both insecticide and fungicide and I know little about them. If you think the fungus lies deep in the heartwood, can you not treat it when the fungus is fruiting and very large and visible? A systemic should get right back to the source?

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Post  Marko on Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:49 pm

Great transformation Pavel! Interesting info about fungi too Ian!

2 Questions: Are we certain that this fungi is to blame for the poor success rate in collecting this species? The fungi seems evident to effect stems but the trees pictured have healthy foliage as Will suggests, and as the fungi dose'nt seem to grow on the roots can it be to blame?

Secondly, has anyone tryed airlaying communis or indeed any type needle juniper. If they where easily rooted it would be possible to select unaffected stems and produce a set of roots which had not been subjected to the fungi in the environment?

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Post  Ian Young on Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:25 pm

Marko,

I have neglected this tree of late, I use the excuse that I'm allowing it a period of free growth :-) I lost a few branches about 2 years ago and decided to put it out of sight before I did something in a temper lol. It has now rotated back into my to do list and will be tackled in the next few months. A good clean up is long over due.

I personally don't think they are that hard to collect, no more so than blackthorn or Hawthorn. I believe this may vary regionally though. I was getting roughly 70% + success. You just need to progress slowly with them allowing a few years for fine root to develop into a gritty mix before removal of original soil. I don't think the fungi is an issue when collecting or a concern regarding roots. It is a problem for long term branch retention though!!

Will,

I totally agree with you regarding systemics especially the insecticides. I only use them as a last resort. However, I have tried them on Common junipers. Nothing ventured, nothing gained!! I treated this one last night after the heavy rain, lifting it into the the garage to stop further rain washing it off. This is why I've been keeping a close eye on it this season waiting for this very moment to strike. I'll keep you all posted on any success or failure.

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Rust on Common Junipers

Post  Peter Adams on Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:38 pm

I collected several common junipers which developed the dreaded orange "jelly babies" very quickly once humidity built up. They were treated by wire brushing the growths off whenever they appeared, combined with a fungicidal spray given very three weeks or so. Copper based fungicide was one I used. The fungus tried to come back a couple of times but the treatment seemed to cure it after a month or so.

Horticulturally, the common juiper as bonsai is a challenge if you give it too much "bonsai" technique at any one time. It resents invasive moisture reductions so not too much bark stripping; keep pots deepish; avoid copper wire right to the branch tips; leave generous amounts of foliage.

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