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Post  Gordon Baird on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:26 pm

I am quite new to Bonsai and was reading about Yamadori and how one can save money by digging trees out the ground. I have growing wild at the bottom of my garden a lovely Goosberry bush, it has a good thick trunk which has a nice shape, the branch ramification is good and it must be at least 20 years old. I am excited it could be special, and would like further advice as to type of growing medium, root pruning, and should i plant it in a box for a year or two or plant it straight into a Bonsai pot.

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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:54 pm

Personally I have never come across a Gooseberry bonsai but I see no reason why you should'nt have a go. Any free draining and open mixture will probably be ok. I would leave it in the ground until Spring time. Dig up as the buds begin to swell and put it in a large pot or box.

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Post  Kev Bailey on Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:44 pm

I've got a Gooseberry bonsai, shohin informal upright style that I've been developing for about five years. They are remarkably easy in pot culture and I'm surprised we don't see more. Excellent muscular trunks with good bark, small leaves, small flowers and small fruit. They are also really popular at public shows, when an observant viewer realises what fruit they are looking at. The only downside is that you must be absolutely vigilant in the summer, or they can (read will) be defoliated overnight by caterpillars.

My tiny seedling one was uprooted from the garden in spring and planted straight into a shohin pot with a standard free draining mix. One of these days I'll get around to photographing it.

I've transplanted larger gooseberry bushes in the garden, by digging up as large a rootball as possible in spring. I'm pretty sure that the same approach into a training box would work.

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Post  JimLewis on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:04 pm

I had a small gooseberry for several years. I too wonder why you don't see many of them -- especially up here where they're quite common in the forests.

Mine, which I dug from these mountains originally finally decided it hated the hot Florida summers though. Dunno why I haven't looked for one since I moved up here.

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Post  Kev Bailey on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:19 pm

I've been eying the large productive Gooseberry bush at the bottom of my garden regularly. In a few years, when my newly propagated ones are all fruiting, I'll dig it up and bonsai it. Very Happy

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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:57 pm

Im annoyed with myself for not having a go now. I know of some 30 year old bushes with amazing nebari and trunks. Have you never had flowers Kev?

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Post  Kev Bailey on Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:00 pm

Yep, my bonsai one fowers and fruits every year. I have to thin fruits most years.

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Post  Henrik Stubelius on Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:42 am

Gordon Baird wrote:I am quite new to Bonsai and was reading about Yamadori and how one can save money by digging trees out the ground.

Scottish eh? bounce

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Holy cow! Gooseberrys

Post  NeilDellinger on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:16 am

Hey guys,
I have never thought of this either! But I confess my love for the gooseberry is not bonsai related though.....my passion is gooseberry PIE and cobbler. Growing up my Grandmother had 10-15 of these plants and I could look forward to great pies and preserves.

Each year for my birthday, instead of cake my wife has a gooseberry pie! The best thing is that its so sour, no one else likes it...MINE all MINE!

Will,
If you think of it...pack one up for me! Laughing

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Post  NeilDellinger on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:18 am

I forgot.
Kev,
Would you mind posting a photo of your gooseberry bonsai? Would love to see it.

Thanks!

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Post  fiona on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:18 am

Henrik Stubelius wrote:
Gordon Baird wrote:I... was reading about ...how one can save money by digging trees out the ground.
Scottish eh?

Oi! Watch it, Henrik! Or we'll send round the men with the shades. Nah, on second thoughts that's too expensive. We'll send round Gordon's granny - she'll only cost us the price of a pie and a pint! Wink

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Post  Harleyrider on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:15 pm

Whoah! Steady on Fiona. That's a tad frivolous, don't you think?

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Post  Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:34 pm

And men with shades??? Since when have they needed sunglasses in Scotland!!!

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Post  Guest on Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:47 pm

Neil. Why should I send you one when they grow wild in your countryside?

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Post  Henrik Stubelius on Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:46 am

fiona wrote:
Henrik Stubelius wrote:
Gordon Baird wrote:I... was reading about ...how one can save money by digging trees out the ground.
Scottish eh?

Oi! Watch it, Henrik! Or we'll send round the men with the shades. Nah, on second thoughts that's too expensive. We'll send round Gordon's granny - she'll only cost us the price of a pie and a pint! Wink


Oh God... When will I ever learn to keep my mouth shut?
A couple of men with shades I can handle.. but Gordons granny?! Sounds utterly ominous... perhaps I could buy her off with MY granny's rhubarb pie? It's deeeelicious Laughing

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gooseberry

Post  martyhab10 on Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:37 am

It's always tempting to want to bonsai an interesting tree one might find growing wild. The first step is to realize that the subject tree probably has a root structure which extends far beyond the base of the tree.
When starting to dig it out, it's best to encircle the trunk with a spade some distance from the base, and leaving the tree without moving it. Just fill in the hole you dug with peat. By next spring, new roots should have sprouted in the trench you made, allowing you to finish digging out the tree. Next, using bonsai soil, place the tree in an over-sized box, taking care to remove as few of the new roots as possible. Leave it alone for a year before placing it in a bonsai pot. While all this is going on, gradually remove the branches you select to take off in order to shape your tree. Some branches should be wired rather be removed, to conform to the ultimate shape you want to create. Treat your tree with the eye of a surgeon, realizing that your surgery temporarily weakens it. Just think that it is like moving a patient from the operating room to the recovery room. When you finally place it in a pot, be sure to wire it in securely, using two wires to hold it in place. Be sure to use chop sticks to fill in all the air pockets with soil and water the planting from the top.
Do not use fertilizer until you see the new growth emerging. And good luck to you!

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Post  fiona on Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:12 am

Henrik Stubelius wrote: A couple of men with shades I can handle.. but Gordons granny?! Sounds utterly ominous... perhaps I could buy her off with MY granny's rhubarb pie? It's deeeelicious

Ha ha ha.

It's OK the crisis is over as she's double booked anyway. She's donned her balaclava disguise and is away down to North Wales with her spade to steal Kev's gooseberry bush.

But I'm guessing she'd be easily bought off as she did leave this message:

"Rhubarb pie? I'll be back"


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Digging up Gooseberry bushes

Post  Gordon Baird on Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:45 am

Hi Folks Thanks for all your replys re. Gooseberrys, it was sent with toung in cheek! However, its good to know the replys were honest and positive. I am a Landscape Gardener and quite fortunate that i can unearth some nice raw material, i also have had reasonable success layering, so if anyone out there would like to know more i will do my best to help. We Scots may be struggling at football at the moment queen but we have many good trees and Bonsai artists!

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Will thinks we dont need sunglasses in Scotland

Post  Gordon Baird on Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:14 pm

addeley"And men with shades??? Since when have they needed sunglasses in Scotland!!![/quote Will. We have the most beautiful country side in the UK, i would not like to swap it with you for all the sunshine and sunglasses that you may enjoy. ps "keep working on your tan!!"

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Post  JimLewis on Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:26 pm

We Scots may be struggling at football at the moment

Correction: Soccer jocolor geek Basketball

WE do "football" (which we carry in our arms, and throw -- and only kick with the foot to get rid of it). cheers <---- TOUCHDOWN!

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Post  fiona on Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:52 pm

JimLewis wrote: WE do "football" (which we carry in our arms, and throw...
Ahhh. That explains Thierry Henry's tactic on Wednesday night then!

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Post  bobby little on Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:14 am

fiona wrote:
JimLewis wrote: WE do "football" (which we carry in our arms, and throw...
Ahhh. That explains Thierry Henry's tactic on Wednesday night then!


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Post  Henrik Stubelius on Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:31 am

JimLewis wrote:
We Scots may be struggling at football at the moment

Correction: Soccer jocolor geek Basketball

WE do "football" (which we carry in our arms, and throw -- and only kick with the foot to get rid of it). cheers <---- TOUCHDOWN!

Wrong wrong! You're doing RUGBY! But for some reason you wear helmets and all sorts of protection, perhaps you don't like to get hurt or something Wink

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Post  fiona on Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:11 am

Henrik Stubelius wrote: [Wrong wrong! You're doing RUGBY! But for some reason you wear helmets and all sorts of protection, perhaps you don't like to get hurt or something Wink

Remember this is a game played in the land that gave us Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys. Or was it Hardy Drew and the Nancy Boys!

Anyway, Henrik - do you look at all like that other Swedish Henrik, Mr Larsson. Or as we still call him over here in the West of Scotland, God.

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Post  Henrik Stubelius on Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:09 pm

Haha=) Yes we're like peas in a pod! No not at all I'm afraid...

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