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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:34 pm

Hi Friends

I like to share a few trees I have never shown anyone, or exhibited....

The first one is a Acer Ginnala shohin...it is made from 3 cuttings I had, and gave away when they were new, they was a kind of forgotten, and went back in my garden a  couple of years later...in the meantime was they beginning to fuse, and I found them interesting.


This is my first Photo from 2006...for the first time in a pot, after 6 years

This is how the tree/trees look now...standing 16 cm. tall...time to find a nice pot in the right sice Smile 

Seen from abowe...I guess this style is clumpstyle...or is it rootconnected?

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:54 pm

hi Yvonne.

its fusing well and would turn into a root connected design.
thanks for sharing.


regads,
jun Smile 

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Post  Guest on Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:59 pm

Hi Jun

It was rootconnected in my mind too...but when does trunks become a clumpstyle...will they become this later?

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Jerry Meislik on Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:06 pm

Very nice design Yvonne.
I can't separate root connected and clump. Seems the same to me.
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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:16 am

Hi Jerry

Many thanks, I am happy you like my trees...The style is maybe a matter of age...as the cuttings were very Young, they were seperate trees, then they became rootconnected, and with age do I think thery will look like they come from one base/clump.

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Post  Andre Beaurain on Mon Nov 11, 2013 9:09 am

Wow! a Superb trio! Looks like 3 witches in the forest..

That is a very nice progression Yvonne, well done.

Love and light

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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:30 am

Hi Andre

3 witches in the forrest Smile ...you know...it is only the first frame, the future crown, build in the smaller pot, will ofcourse soften the appearence of the trees...Happy you liked it.

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Post  JimLewis on Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:46 pm

Isn't "root connected" supposed to be a single plant -- several trunks arising from the same root? A variety of "raft" style.

"Clump" style consists of several trees growing together. Their roots eventually will tangle and become a single mass, but different roots will continue to nourish individual trees.

The two "styles" will often look alike.

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Post  Todd Ellis on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:10 pm

Lovely tree Yvonne. I can't wait to see it potted up:D 

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Post  Todd Ellis on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:15 pm

Andre Beaurain wrote:Wow! a Superb trio!  Looks like 3 witches in the forest..

That is  a very nice progression Yvonne, well done.

Love and light
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The trio reminds of witches too!Very Happy 

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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:51 pm

THANKS GUYS Wink  

I will show you my clump ( am I right Jim?)of 3 witches, as soon as they are potted and have some nice springleafes next year.
Show a another tree later.

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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:55 pm

JimLewis wrote:Isn't "root connected" supposed to be a single plant -- several trunks arising from the same root?  A variety of "raft" style.

"Clump" style consists of several trees growing together.  Their roots eventually will tangle and become a single mass, but different roots will continue to nourish individual trees.

The two "styles" will often look alike.


Clump style is totally different from Root connected style, the closer one to root connected style is raft style. but the difference is that the trunk that mimics a fallen tree which form new trunks instead of the root (in root connected) that makes new trunks but the trees (individual trunks) appear similar to root connected style, these trunks may sprout from different location along the the roots. And in clump style the individual trunks must come from a single point of the base of the grouping trunks. Most of the time (but not always) Clump style trunks are in radial from.

In Yvonne's tree, When the roots fused together, it will become more of a root connected rather than clump style because of the eventual formation of the trunks along the "connected" (thru fusing) roots. The base of the trees are too far out from each other to be considered as clump style. Maybe if Yvonne will grow the trees bigger (much much bigger) the individual base will get closer as a result and might fused as one trunk base, and the upper part of the trunks will grow outward, then maybe it could become clump style. But looking at picture number two with trunks base far apart it is clearly a coot connected bonsai.



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jun Smile 
regards,
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Post  Guest on Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Hi Jun

Many thanks for your explanation...
Please enjoy the backside of the 3 witches, completely fused  Smile 


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Post  JimLewis on Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:06 pm

In Yvonne's tree, When the roots fused together, it will become more of a root connected rather than clump style because of the eventual formation of the trunks along the "connected" (thru fusing) roots.
We're probably splitting hairs, but I doubt a clump can ever become a true root connected style in the sense that tree A's roots are feeding trees B and C. The cambriums of the three trees may fuse, but I doubt that the interior plumbing will change.

Whatever, it doesn't really matter and they are three very nice looking trunks.

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:21 am

Hi Again Smile

Many thanks Jim...happy you like my little treesome...as you say, and I agree....The cambriums of the three trees may fuse, but I doubt that the interior plumbing will change.

Next tree is a Euonymus europaeus...this one is a real raft I found in the nature 1994

firts spring
I tried for many years to grow it taller, finaly I gave up, after having tried all sorts of trix to avoid ugly clumps, and a trunk that would not look nice.
Knowing, what I did not know back then, and what I have learned about the growing habits of this tree, have brought the tree (back)to this state

The small raft is standing 16.50 cm tall, and is ready for the final siced pot, in witch I will work on the crown. In the end of next year will this, and the previus tree have acceptable Crowns ( I hope so).
The tree has a LOT of buds, but it is not a good idea to remove them now, they have to stay untill the tree grow in the spring, and even then, do I have to be careful, as some die back during winter, and other buds is for the ( anoying) flowers.

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Post  my nellie on Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:42 am

I really don't mind whether it's a clump or the trees are root connected and I don't really wonder about that because I do like it very much.
I am always happy to see Yvonne posting her work on IBC. I read all her posts because every time I have something to get advantage of.
A raft is included among my projects for the future, too.

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Post  landerloos on Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:43 pm

I love them bove Yvonne, but why do you dislike the flowers on the last tree, they give some pretty berrys afterwards.

Peter

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Post  Guest on Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:16 pm

Hi Peter

Nice to hear from you Again...happy you like my trees Smile 

The reason why I am not happy about flowers on the last tree, is because they emerge from both sides of the first pair of leaves on the branch, it will give a internode twice as long as hoped for afterwards...on a small tree like this one, is it quit a long internede...this is the growinghabit of this kind of tree..on a bigger tree will it not be the same big problem.
Some flowers do come every year anyway, they are not a lot to look at with the green pale collor, but the fruitcapsules are awesome in the orange collor.

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Post  Neli on Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:54 am

Hi Darling! I just love your trees! Both are fantastic girl!
What peculiarities does eonimus have? I got one recently...so any advise will be appreciated.

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:33 am

Hi Neli

Yes no need to Waste a lot of time, like I did...but then Again, the maintrunk on my tree did not become thinner, but indeed better with all the age.

To create the trunk and taper, is it needed to grow up a lot, and then cut hard back, many times, as taper does not form by it self...a new branch will stay thin for ever ( feels like)..and new shots from the thin branch will just form a clump from the fork...taper does not grow freely, it has to be made. ( look at the young Photo)

Some small new branches from the years growth die back during winter, it is needed to have enough spare.
And then as I already wrote, does the flowers come from a last years branch, from the first buds close to the trunk. This make it more dificult to keep the crown dense on a small tree like mine...I think big is better.

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Post  Neli on Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:17 pm

Thanks Darling...Mine I think is fat enough, medium sized...but with some scars and I carved it plus that too. How do wounds heal?
How do you style the branches?

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:45 pm

Hi Again Neli

Your tree look just as small as mine....16.5 cm, am i wrong?

The scars do not really heal, the wood in the cuts rot, and leave a hole, and the bark just grow...no healing ower.
The branches are quit stiff, and do not take virering very well...I do the "grow and clip", in the hope the crown will look pretty in the future.
The taper on the trunk is OK now, so I can concentrate on the Crown.

I do not think your tree is exacly the same as mine...your young branches is round, and has a gently wave ( have they been vired?)....mine branches is stiff and Square.

When thinking closer, do I not think the leaves reduce in sice...this is also why I would prefer the tree was bigger.
My tree is best seen in the winter, so I better make a nice crown.

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Post  Neli on Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:38 pm

Hi Ivonne,
My tree just the trunk is around 25cm high and the trunk down is 10cm diameter.It is a different type of eonimus and the leaves reduce a lot. It is very popular in Japan and that is where I fall in love with it. But I thought if it is also eonimus they might be similar habit trees.
My branches are bendable...I just cut it and wired it but I shall take precautions to harden the wood where there are big cuts so it does not rot. Thanks.
I think mine had several big cuts in its life, but some look like healed almost...I shall rewound the cambium. I still need to  trim it but Need some more shoots so I left the bumps where branches were chopped in hope of getting some buds there, but other places carved it a lot.
Left some spare branches to heal wounds too. It looks like the cambium is rolling over. Reduced the top branches only since they were getting too thick.
Thanks for the advise.

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:38 pm

Some times can a Photo cheat...your hand must be well on the foreground Smile...good luck with your tree, I expect you will give us some updates one day.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Neli on Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:53 pm

I am not very good at posting pictures but I shall try and post updates Darling and you post too since there is a lot to learn from your trees and  I like them a lot.
I finished welding the shade for one of my bonsai ens...and put the shade cloth over it.My plants were damaged yesterday by a storm

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