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Post  Guest on Sun Sep 01, 2013 12:49 pm

I was in Sweden yesterday...having a great time collecting pines together with my husband and a friend who had tried the stunt many times before







My trees from the trip






I have done what I could for the trees for now...but trees like theese pines are not easy to collect/care for...so in the next couple of years will there be a lot of "hoffen und the trinken" as a german would say...hoping they will survive.

Kind regards Yvonne

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Post  Todd Ellis on Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:16 pm

It looked like there was a lot of potential material there!

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Post  Guest on Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:17 pm

Hi Todd

Yes there was a lot of nice trees, but most of them impossible to collect, as they had a looong trunk running along the surface under the grass...some of them had their root in impossible places, and some was branches from a tree growing next to them.
I am not used to collect this kind of trees, so I went for the more "easy" not to big, or old trees...the first tree have the poorest root, I have not high hope for this one, but will do my best. The next was the best, and the last tree, was a inbetween, to the better rooted.

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Post  Lee Brindley on Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:28 pm

*Drooling! tongue tongue tongue 

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Post  Guest on Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:16 pm

Lee Brindley wrote:*Drooling! tongue tongue tongue 
I was drooling big time too,...untill reality kicked in...It was VERY dificult to walk in the terrain, and maybe 1 out of 200 trees was possible to collect...afterwards would there be a lot of care and luck, before you actully can enjoy the collected tree...I only found theese 3 trees..I did not leave a better tree ( or poorer ) behind...on the Whole day, did not find more that could be collected.

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Post  yamasuri on Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:30 pm

Congrats Yvonne. Nice trees. Just curious? Was it difficult to get permit?

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Post  adam1234 on Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:44 pm

Hello,

  It is for all the difficulties already mentioned and the after care that is required that collected trees have such a price. I recently came to the realisation, after I had to dig a big Lonicera nitida from my hedge, that this collecting business is something else. Sometimes I think that some material are well under priced and if I had to do the same work I would charge much much more. I recently paid for a nice large privet stump that was under £200 (after reduction) and I seriously thought I was getting it for nothing considering the cold the collector endured while digging for perhaps at least an hour in spring, transport, time searching and 2 years of care to establish it. Makes me appreciate collected material more and its not like you were driving past a garden centre and decided to pick up a tree or two. Imagine this:

10 min each day of care (watering, pruning, checking for diseases, turning the tree, potting etc)
= 10 x 360 days
= 3600 min
= 60 hours

for 1 year at £2 per hour (I know not even minimum wage) = £120
soil, wire, etc not included

Care alone for 2 years is £ 240 what?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Post  Tony on Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:17 pm

Hi Adam... and people say yamadori is expensive... at least you get it! Rolling Eyes 

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Post  adam1234 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:41 am

Tony wrote:Hi Adam... and people say yamadori is expensive... at least you get it! Rolling Eyes 
I get it Tony. I mean Yvonne here is collecting from flat land and I can easily see how dangerous it would be tied to a string, dangling from a crag trying to pick through stones to dislodge a tree. I mean we are not all endowed with the skills of Tennyson's eagle. When I joined this forum I read through many many posts and one that will always stay in my memory is of your collecting trip well narrated by the late Harley Rider. It just shows what one goes through to get to the trees. I am hoping though the few pennies adding up in my piggy bank would one day afford me a Tony Tickle yew or hawthorn  Smile .

Sorry Yvonne if I have taken the post in the wrong direction.

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Post  Guest on Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:14 am

Hi Adam

It was actuly boggy ground, full of Water..we had to be very careful...for every for step we took, we had to look dawn, and decide....it was heavy and bulgy to walk there, and we could only go very slow.
Apart from this, do I respect the people who carry trees from Mountains, I would not be able to this...to carry one of my smaller trees to the car, was very hard, and took a long time.
Yamadori is expensive...and there sertainly is a reason..Smile

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Post  my nellie on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:05 am

Yvonne, I'm glad for you and wish you best of success on the trees' survival.
Is it correct to suppose that those are your first pines collected?

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Post  Guest on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:28 am

Hi Alexandra

Yes, this is the first swedish pines I have, and collected....it was surpricingly hard, not a walk in the park....I hope at least one will survive as a memory of this fine day.

I have 4 norwegian pines..small, but very old, I did not collect theese, but exchanged with goods....they were taken/broken of of the cliffs, with very small roots, the sparse "soil" around them was like keto, black and greasy...I have had these trees for many years...sinse 2004, and the first is ready to exhibit this Winter, at least I think..( maybe)...the rest will follow after one more year.

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Post  leatherback on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:50 am

Nice! Looks like you did well for yourself! Sometimes I think the region I live in is too regulated with nice deep soils; Won't find anything that good here, I am afraid.

Would love to read this thread on the collecting trip by Toni, Adam, do you know by any change which thread this is in?

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Post  my nellie on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:05 am

I believe this is the one What we did on our holidays (or, If it's Thursday, it must be Slovakia!).
I hope I'm not wrong.... In any case I'm sure you will enjoy every page of this.

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Post  leatherback on Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:42 pm

my nellie wrote:I believe this is the one What we did on our holidays (or, If it's Thursday, it must be Slovakia!).
I hope I'm not wrong.... In any case I'm sure you will enjoy every page of this.
For sure not! That thread only shows that Yamadori are horribly overpriced. These guys were having a blast collecting trees in a stunning landscape with copious amounts of foud and -probably- liquer. Rolling Eyes They were just holidaying it there Wink

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Post  Twisted Trees on Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:28 pm

Why isn't a "Swede" Scots pine?

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Post  Guest on Tue Sep 03, 2013 3:07 pm

Twisted Trees wrote:Why isn't a "Swede" Scots pine?
"Scots pine" is the common name for pinus sylvestris, in at least England....In Denmark is the common name " skovfyr" translate( forrestpine)
Theese trees was collected in Sweden.
Does it answer your question?

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Post  Twisted Trees on Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:11 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:
Twisted Trees wrote:Why isn't a "Swede" Scots pine?
"Scots pine" is the common name for pinus sylvestris, in at least England....In Denmark is the common name " skovfyr" translate( forrestpine)
Theese trees was collected in Sweden.
Does it answer your question?

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So it's not a "Swedish Scottish" pine?

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Post  Guest on Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:44 pm

Nope

Scotspine is for English speeking people....Skovfyr is for Scandinavians....

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Post  Guest on Thu May 29, 2014 12:39 pm

The pines are doing well...the one with almost no root has candles with needles now, so the hope is high for this one.
The others are strong  Smile 

Removed some unwanted new candles from one of them 10 days ago, and was rewarded with this....
This is from the tree with the medium nice root...I am very pleased.

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Post  Vance Wood on Thu May 29, 2014 1:26 pm

I think the trees are wonderful and will probably survive with the kind of care you seem to be giving them.

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Post  Vance Wood on Thu May 29, 2014 1:33 pm

Twisted Trees wrote:Why isn't a "Swede" Scots pine?

It is the same species.  For some reason, other than national regionalism, those in Sweden want to call it Forest Pine.  It is Pinus Sylvestris and according to the books on horticulture the title Scots Pine is the accepted title.  It's like Pinus Thunbergii, aka Japanese Black Pine, being called Japanese Black Pine even though it occurs in at least Korea as well where it is not called Korean Black Pine.  Scots Pine is a very wide spread tree from the Mediterranean to the Arctic Circle and accross Europe.  I see no reason why it does not exist in to Asia but have not heard that it does.  I suspect it grows all across Rusia. Update: I just checked Wikipedia and associated posts that accompanied my search, that the Scots Pine is the widest distributed Pinus species in the world. I was right in my suspicions it is native to Siberia and all the way accros the continent to the Pacific Ocean.

The Horticultural nerds have designated this tree as Pinus Sylvestris: Common name, Scots Pine, because there has to be some sort of way to identify the tree accros its range, even though the tree doesn't care what country it lives in. If; in our infinite wisdom we decide we all will name this tree according to our arbitrary adherence to where the tree grows, we could have a list of maybe twenty names referring to one single species.

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Post  Guest on Fri May 30, 2014 7:56 am

Hi Vance

I know I must treat them well to make them survive, and I do what I can...the backbudding is very uplifting, and give hope for a future for the trees....one is a little weak though.

I just stick to the latin name, when talking to people from other countries...in Denmark we only know the tree as a skovfyr, not anytjing else.

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Post  Vance Wood on Fri May 30, 2014 4:27 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Hi Vance

I know I must treat them well to make them survive, and I do what I can...the  backbudding is very uplifting, and give hope for a future for the trees....one is a little weak though.

I just stick to the latin name, when talking to people from other countries...in Denmark we only know the tree as a skovfyr, not anytjing else.

Kind regards Yvonne

Just don't get anxious and start doing things way before you should.

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Post  Guest on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:07 am

11 Moths after collecting, have the tree with the poorest root ( the first tree on page 1)...hardly anything, died during summer...it was expected due to the lack of root, I almost just felt like leaving it behind in Sweden, but gave the tree and me a chance.
The other trees are doing very well

This tree was doing so well, I gave it a first styling during may

Theese days am I removing vire just before it mark the bark, the backbutting is nice...next time I vire the tree, will I have to use a stronger vire for the thin branches...this is how well it has done  Smile


This Photo is also from may....I only want to keep the lowest inner portion the tree for the future design.

This tree was also strong, and I wanted to prepare for the later removal of the top branch, it was done in midt june.

I really want to safe the roots all arround the base, so I cut away this little portion of the bark ( 1 cm wide), hoping the sap would split without killng the root under.

One month later could I feel the cambium growing on both sides, and this morning, after 6 weeks, have I taken the step a bit further, as the cambium now was visible in both sides.

If it works, and the all the roots can be safed, will I be very happy...I guess, no need to say the tree is doing very well on both the levels.

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