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Post  Arthur Joura Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:35 pm

As I understand it, in Japanese bonsai terminology the word "nebari" refers to this part of a bonsai:

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That is, the lowest portion of the trunk of the tree, which flares out and leads to the visible roots on the surface of the planting medium.

I have also heard a more narrow definition, which holds that "nebari" refers specifically to the "surface root region", as Bill put it:

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I am uncertain as to which is more exactly correct because I do not speak Japanese, or think it. In my travels and conversations with various bonsai people, and from what I have read in books, magazines and online, most western bonsai practitioners use the word "nebari" in the sense of the first and more general definition.

For me, I use the word "base" to refer to this part of a bonsai:

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If I want to refer specifically to this part:

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I call it "the surface roots".

I use these English language terms because virtually all of the people I communicate with about bonsai speak some form of English, however corrupted, and a good many of them are not bonsai initiates. If I were to use the term "nebari" when speaking with them, assuming they were actually listening with interest, they would stop me and ask, "Nebari? What does that mean???" And then I would have to give them the English translation. Feeling no particular need to impress them with my ability to parrot a foreign word that then needs translation to be understood, I cut right to the chase and speak to them in their, and my, native tongue. For the same reason, I do not use the words "yamadori" or "shohin" or "saramiki". In fact, the only Japanese word I use is "bonsai", and that is because that word has entered the English language, in the same way that other originally foreign words have, such as "rendezvous" and "smorgasbord". All this has been rather thoroughly discussed elsewhere on this thread already.

When someone in a recent post to this thread made reference to the "nebari" on one of the trees in the NC Arboretum bonsai collection, I decided to make a joke about it. Now, a joke that needs to be explained is either a poor joke or a joke poorly aimed, and so I apologize to anyone I may have confused (at least John G. understands me). The point I wanted to make is that I never think of the base of any of the bonsai I design and maintain, or the display of surface roots on these specimens, as being "nebari". Mr. Kimura's bonsai have nebari, and you, patient reader, may choose to think that yours do, too. But the bonsai I grow decidedly do not. Being American bonsai they have bases, and part of their bases are roots seen on the surface of the planting medium.

Bill, I am always glad to have you participate on this thread! I must, however, offer a correction to one thing you wrote. I am not trying to Americanize bonsai. I am trying to convince other non-Japanese bonsai lovers of the great value I perceive in freeing bonsai from the strangling yoke of Japanese identification. I would never encourage someone living in, for example, Denmark, that they should do American bonsai. That would make even less sense than them doing Japanese bonsai in Denmark. Instead I would encourage them to find their own native expression of bonsai, be that a Danish expression or that of some particular region in Denmark. That would make complete sense, for them. And if they, or anyone else, feel content doing bonsai as an expression of their admiration for Japanese culture, they should continue doing just that. For me personally, the process of removing those non-essential aspects of bonsai foreign to my culture is not something I am "trying" to do. It is a fait accompli - or, as we say in these parts, a done deal.

Ted, thank you for finding your way to this thread, reading through it, and sharing your generously positive comments!

Last weekend I was in New Orleans doing some programs for my friends in the Greater New Orleans Bonsai Society (bunch of GNOBS!) One of the programs was a very informal demonstration in which I put together the tray landscape pictured below. The plant material was non-native: Trident Maple (Acer buergerianum) and Kingsville Boxwood (Buxus microphylla v. compacta), but the landscape is meant to reflect the experience of the Southern Appalachian highlands. The final image is what I would call the primary view:

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Post  Daygan Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:20 am

Arthur Joura wrote:When someone in a recent post to this thread made reference to the "nebari" on one of the trees in the NC Arboretum bonsai collection, I decided to make a joke about it.

Oh, I get it - it was a semantics thing! :p Ha ha....

Nice Appalachian highlands composition you put together there!


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Post  Randy_Davis Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:19 am

Been following this thread for a long time and love it. It's the first thread I look for when I get to the site. I just love the "semantics" comment Daygan. I like you Arthur, don't use Japanese terminology when I talk about bonsai parts, I don't see the point to it at all. I must however add this into the mix, that if one were to internationalize the discussion, which would end the semantics, the botanical name for the parts should be used which are; 1) the trunk (that portion above the flare at the base), 2) the buttress (the portion below the trunk which flares) and the 3) the roots (those thingy's attached to the buttress at the soil surface). Sorry to get so nerdy on you but that's just how my wheelhouse works! Very Happy
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Post  crust Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:02 pm

Just to relate a colloquial issue probably limited to the low-brows in Norther Minnesota, and not meaning to dilute an otherwise substantive and intellectual discourse, the word buttress is not cool. If I refer to anything as a "buttress" I get the stink-eye from my wife's visiting sisters and sometimes even her matronly cousins. Evidently the word "buttress" has replaced what they once use to be called, which surprisingly was "princess", which does not even line up with buttress. Like this conversation, they too have become more and more substantive at least in the lower regions.
Anyway,  I prefer "BASE " Because, after all,  "You know I'm all about that bass, 'Bout that bass, no treble".


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Post  Vance Wood Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:08 pm

crust wrote:Just to relate a colloquial issue probably limited to the low-brows in Norther Minnesota, and not meaning to dilute an otherwise substantive and intellectual discourse, the word buttress is not cool. If I refer to anything as a "buttress" I get the stink-eye from my wife's visiting sisters and sometimes even her matronly cousins. Evidently the word "buttress" has replaced what they once use to called, which surprisingly was "princess", which does not even line up with buttress. Like this conversation, they too have become more and more substantive at least in the lower regions.
Anyway,  I prefer "BASE " Because, after all,  "You know I'm all about that bass, 'Bout that bass, no treble".  

You mean ass, booty, can, tush, caboose, trailer, and butt????  I understand your problem and situation.  If you raise dogs and show dogs you quickly understand that the term bitch does not refer to a nasty foul tempered woman.  It means a nasty foul tempered female dog and is the recognized nomenclature for the beast in circles dealing with dogs. Just joking about the nasty and foul tempered. Most bitch dogs I have known have been very nice and even tempered.
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Post  JimLewis Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:35 pm

crust wrote:Just to relate a colloquial issue probably limited to the low-brows in Norther Minnesota, and not meaning to dilute an otherwise substantive and intellectual discourse, the word buttress is not cool. If I refer to anything as a "buttress" I get the stink-eye from my wife's visiting sisters and sometimes even her matronly cousins. Evidently the word "buttress" has replaced what they once use to called, which surprisingly was "princess", which does not even line up with buttress. Like this conversation, they too have become more and more substantive at least in the lower regions.
Anyway,  I prefer "BASE " Because, after all,  "You know I'm all about that bass, 'Bout that bass, no treble".  

Goodness. What would they do with a flying buttress? And don't ever take them south to see a bald cypress in its native habitat, 'cause they got BUTTresses!
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Post  Kevin S - Wisco Bonsai Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:56 pm

this has been one helluva entertaining page !

arthur - if you have before pictures of the GNOBS material, i for one would enjoy seeing it.

(GNOBS !!! thats right up there w/ SOB, which one of our AAC members now gleefully refers to himself as Wink )
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Hope you don't mind me posting Arthur. It was really great have you to New Orleans again. Looking forward to coming up this year.


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Post  Arthur Joura Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:49 pm

Thank you Brian for posting pictures from my visit with the Greater New Orleans Bonsai Society! Your group is as unique as the great old city for which it is named, full of fun and spice and appealing weirdness. You may have noticed, and others who looked closely at the last picture you posted may have noticed, that I did some further work on the tray landscape beyond what was done at the demonstration. Although I brought with me half a dozen different stones I thought might work in the landscape piece, most turned out to be too large. The only one that fit the available space in the container turned out to be of a color too similar to the trunk of the maple, and so did not provide enough visual interest. When I was back to work on Monday I went out "shopping" among the various collected stones I keep laying about in the nursery and found one that I liked better. It was simple enough to swap them out and I am glad I did, because I find the color and texture of the new stone to be much better.

Your post also affords me an opportunity to step back a moment and acknowledge an important connection that should not be overlooked in my continuing discourse on the idea of Naturalistic and American bonsai. The GNOBS group I recently visited was originally founded by one of the great American bonsai pioneers - Vaughn Banting. When I talk about using native species for bonsai, and more importantly, using personal experience of the native landscape as an inspiration for bonsai design, I am only carrying forward a message that Vaughn Banting was delivering more than 30 years ago. When I went to the US National Bonsai and Penjing Museum as a novice bonsai student in 1993, some of the bonsai that most impressed me were those made of tree species I knew from the woods and forests back home in North Carolina. It was a revelation to me that such plant material could be used for bonsai! One specimen I particularly noted was a forest of Red Maples (Acer rubrum v. drummondii). I looked at the label to see who's work it was, and that was the first time I encountered the name Vaughn Banting.

Most bonsai people who did not know him personally, but know who Vaughn was, identify him with the "flat top" form of Baldcypress (Taxodium distichum). When I was at the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum last spring I made this image of one of Vaughn's most famous trees:

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Today the flat top baldcypress form is widely recognized and accepted, but Vaughn Banting was the first to promote it and establish it as an accepted way to shape bonsai. He was a respectful student of the Japanese way of doing bonsai, but he was also a creative person who loved nature and trees in particular. Roaming around the wild coastal region of southern Louisiana he had plenty of opportunity to study great old baldcypress trees in their native habitat. He observed they had a distinctive appearance, and that particular look was not represented among the established forms promoted by Japanese bonsai teaching. So, he took it upon himself to invent a way of creating baldcypress bonsai that looked like real baldcypress in the wilds of the Southeastern US. I do not know if Vaughn labeled his work Naturalistic, but that is what it was. It was also American, because Vaughn was an American, and he was creating out of his personal experience of an American landscape.

Vaughn was a vibrant, positive, engaging person, but his life was cut short by complications arising from brain tumors. His legacy, beyond the beautiful, naturalistic bonsai he left behind in the US National collection and other public collections, is to be found in all the lives he touched, particularly in the world of bonsai. He not only started the club in New Orleans, he traveled extensively as a teacher and wrote many articles for the leading bonsai publications of his day. He had many students, as well as a few disciples. You may recognize some of them by name: Guy Guidry, Gary Marchal, David DeGroot. I never studied with him, but I did get to briefly meet Vaughn not long before he passed away in 2008. We had about a 15 minute conversation, in which time he was able to forever impress upon me the critical difference between vigor and vitality. In my recollection, he said something like this: "Please forgive the slowness of my speech. I have had some health problems and the doctors wound up taking a couple of scoops out of my brain. I do not have the vigor I once did, but the spirit inside me is still strong. I still have my vitality. There is a difference, you know. In bonsai, we strive to suppress a plant's vigor, but we always want to promote its vitality." Vaughn was a natural teacher that way. I am so thankful I got to meet him!

When I go to New Orleans and meet with my GNOB-y friends, I am always highly conscious that I am speaking to the club Vaughn Banting started. Naturally the people in that organization all hold Vaughn in the highest esteem, even those who never knew him, because his memory is kept alive by those who did.

I do not know if Brian, who posted the pictures from my demonstration, was one of the club members who knew Vaughn personally or not, but I know how well he respects his memory. Brian is a pretty fair hand at drawing. If you look at his avatar, it is one of his own drawings, showing a bonsai planted on a rock that happens to be in the shape of the state of Louisiana. Here is another piece of Brian's work, a tribute to the great American bonsai pioneer from Louisiana:

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Brian chose to represent Vaughn as he looked in the later years of his life, which is exactly how I knew him. Here is another image of Vaughn, showing him as a much younger man, a Purple Heart combat veteran of Viet Nam who made it home with both his life and his love of living intact, early on in his storied bonsai career:

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On the wall behind Vaughn is a banner featuring an image of a baldcypress bonsai, the logo to this day of the Greater New Orleans Bonsai Society. (This photograph was made by Vaughn's close friend, and longtime IBC member, Alan Walker.)

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To Kevin - Sorry, but I do not have "before" pictures of the material used in the tray landscape. It would be of little use if I did, because the maple was mostly shaped already and the boxwood was just a bushy thing that was quickly made to look about half as bushy. The purpose of the demonstration was to show the process of choosing and manipulating elements to create an artistically composed landscape impression.

To Randy - Good to hear from you again! I appreciate your take on terminology and do not doubt you are correct. However, I think I will stick to the term I am currently using. No use tempting people to their baser instincts!

To Daygan - What, are you anti-semantic? *


* (This too is a joke.)
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Post  DougB Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:15 pm

Of great respect is the person who can move the spotlight from his or her head and honor others. Thank you Arthur for honoring one of our American combat heroes and a founder of bonsai in America.

As a side note, badly needed is a book/consolidation of the bio's of all of our known and unknown founders.
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Post  Stephen Krall Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:53 pm

Arthur,

I am glad that you mentioned Vaughn. I never got to meet him and I had only been in bonsai for a few short years when a passed away. However, there was some amazing things written about him after his passing that I found and became inspired by as I read more about the man. He not only inspired me to think about bald cypress as a bonsai material, but my first bald cypress bonsai was styled in the flat top style. To me this is how I see bald cypress naturally in my area. They are around ponds and lakes, or in swampy settings and have had to compete for the sunlight with other species of trees. For me the pyramidal shape of bald cypress usually indicates a young tree, or one that has been planted specially for landscaping and given plenty of room to grow. I find this less appealing.

Last spring I was up at the PBA show which is held at the National Arboretum and I had a opportunity to go through the collection. One of the things that I remember the most about walking through was seeing a Acer rubrum forest there and then to my surprise it had Vaughn's name on it. I guess I never realized that he had done a piece like this, or at the time of my interest in his work, I was focused on the bald cypress species. However, early on, I became interested in the Acer rubrum as potential bonsai material, but was told that it would not make a good bonsai because of the size of the leaves, and at that time, I was still pretty new to bonsai so I believed it when others with much more experience told me it would not be good material to use. But the thought continued to linger in my head and I actually started growing some accidentally. I worked with one of them for several years, but still continued to get push back from others about the leaf size. However, I knew I could fix that and had some success doing so. But it wasn't until one of my trips to the NC Expo that my faith in Acer rubrum were solidified when I saw some of the pieces you had created. I finally felt a little justified in my perseverance with this species. I was also lucky enough to win one of your pieces and the auction and it one of my favorite bonsai. So, in a way I would like to think that Vaughn also has a role to play through you in my interest in Acer rubrums. This spring I will be putting together a forest planting of Acer rubrum seedlings which will be called "Pholia's Forest".

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Post  Arthur Joura Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:57 pm

Thanks to Doug and Steve for reading and commenting on my last post.

When I travel to different places to present educational bonsai programs, if at all possible I will incorporate a little sightseeing into the trip. My focus is typically on natural areas, although historic sites are also of interest. Coming back from New Orleans, after stopping at Rouses to stock up on Gulf shrimp, fresh crab meat, and Louisiana-raised catfish, I drove east a short distance and stopped at Bayou Savauge National Wildlife Refuge. It was still fairly early on a pleasant Sunday morning and I was the only one there:

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At the welcome center, pictured above, there was interpretive signage explaining the role of bayous in the Gulf coast Eco-system, and also showing how drastically this particular area had changed back in August of 2005. For those who do not know, or have perhaps forgotten, that was the time of Hurricane Katrina. Most of the media attention surrounding the Katrina disaster focused on New Orleans, which is not surprising given the population density there, and the fact that the levy system, designed to protect the low lying city against flood waters, failed completely. But Katrina wreaked havoc all along the Gulf coast, from Florida to Texas. Great as the devastation was to human habitats, it was no less so for the natural areas and all the life contained within them. Bayou Savauge, which is actually within the New Orleans city limits and behind part of the levy system, was severely damaged. A person visiting there now and not looking closely at things, however, might not know it.

There is an old adage: "Time heals all wounds". It has been nearly 10 years since Hurricane Katrina, and in that time much of the destruction it wrought, although certainly not all of it, has been smoothed over. A couple of friends from GNOBS took me for a drive downtown and along the way the conversation turned to what it was like in New Orleans in the early post-Katrina days. I listened with great interest to their personal accounts of what they witnessed, and as someone who did not see it himself, it had to me the air of the fantastic. As I looked out at the city passing by before the car window, it was difficult to imagine how the devastation they were describing eventually transformed again into what appeared to me a normal scene. Every now an then, however, we would pass a vacant lot or a building still boarded up 10 years later, and these things were testimony to the terrible event and the ongoing process of recovery.

The story at Bayou Savauge is much the same. The interpretive signage at the welcome center tells of the damage sustained in the storm 10 years ago and all the efforts made to restore the landscape since then, of what was lost and what has returned and what has not. There is a short boardwalk trail through part of the refuge. Here is a picture of part of it:

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At the welcome center a picture on the interpretive signage showed a similar view, but it also showed an image of how it appeared before the hurricane. It looked like a completely different place. There were certain plant species - baldcypress (Taxodium distichum) and saw palmettos (Serenoa repens), for example - that were abundant in the "before" photo and completely absent now. We think of damage from hurricanes as being primarily a result of high winds, but much of the Gulf coast plant life destroyed by Katrina was due to salt water intrusion. During the Katina storm surge ocean waters were as much as 14ft. (4.3m) above normal, which introduced salt water to vast fresh water areas. Some plants can tolerate salinity to varying degrees, but others cannot tolerate it at all. Those plants, the ones that cannot tolerate salt, were just wiped out. After 10 years there is little evidence that they ever existed. Other plants have taken their place.

The damage done by the high winds is a different story. There are still some standing mature trees at Bayou Savauge, but none of them are whole. In some cases it is plainly evident, even to the eyes of the undiscerning, I should think, that the trees underwent some traumatic event. For example, here are some sweetgums (Liguidamber styraciflua):

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These trees appear to have had most all their limbs completely sheared off, leaving their straight trunks standing like telephone poles. In 10 years' time they have made a good start on growing replacement limbs, but none of those have yet the correct proportional relationship to the size of the trunk from which they emerge.

Here is another recovering tree, this time a southern hackberry (Celtis laevigata):

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This example seems to have restored itself a bit more quickly than the sweetgums, perhaps owing to the fact of being a generally fast growing species. This tree looks almost normal, and I suspect that when it is in leaf it appears even more so. However, in its bare form we can clearly see where large limbs were ripped off, and where new growth has sprouted out of the stumps to carry on.

Another hackberry, more damaged but the same story of regrowth:

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Southern live oaks (Quercus virginiana) are among the most picturesque of North American trees, and the Gulf coast is an area rich in them. These particular live oaks are not so beautiful in their present form:

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It is not difficult, when looking at these 2 trees, to surmise from which direction the strong winds blew. They have recovered to this extent in 10 years' time, but what will they look like 10 years from now, or 100 years from now? Assuming they live so long, they may well be completely awesome in their form. They may cause tree lovers of the future to stop and stare in amazement. Right now they do not look so appealing, but they no doubt look much better than they did back in September of 2005. This is the nature of recovery - it takes time.

There is also inherent in the process of recovery some element of greater character. In order for any given thing to recover - whether tree or environment, city or individual human being - it must first suffer some serious setback. A thing must be beaten, broken, perhaps even brought to its knees before any process of recovery can begin, if it happens at all. From that low beginning, an entity that seeks to recover must first endure, and summon the will to go on. It must suffer the defeat but fight back, and persist in the struggle for however long it takes. Forever after that, it bears the stamp of the ordeal, for better or for worse. This is what I mean by character. The trees I saw at Bayou Savauge survived the ordeal of Hurricane Katrina and have been in recovery for 10 years now. They were reshaped by the ordeal, and bear the scars to prove it. If they can hold on, if they can continue to recover, time will continue to smooth over the damage until one day the scars will be mostly erased, and those that can still be plainly seen will be enhanced and made majestic by the grace of time. They will have greater character than any of their kind that never underwent a similar ordeal.

Do I need to point out that this has everything to do with bonsai?

This process of recovery, as it relates to trees and other woody plants, is at the heart of what we do in bonsai, both in a mechanical and a spiritual sense.

On the mechanical side, the ability of woody plants to respond to loss by growing new parts is not only what allows a tree to recover when all of its branches are ripped of in a hurricane, it is also what enables us to prune. Without pruning, the art of bonsai would be impossible.

In the spiritual sense, the character displayed by an old tree that has survived the hardships of many years, and particularly those that have survived life-altering ordeals, are what we seek to capture and pay tribute to in our bonsai work. In my view of it, the very best bonsai all evoke this sense of respect for the character that is achieved through the eternal struggle of life - hardship, disaster, loss, endurance, recovery, the will to survive. This is a story that humans respond to at a deeply meaningful level. It is what stops us in our tracks when we see trees of great character, whether they be clinging to life on some brutally exposed rock outcrop high on a mountaintop, or cultivated in a shallow tray in someone's back yard.

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Post  Stephen Krall Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:31 pm

Arthur, I find the last tree photo in your post so intrequing and a great example that all living things want to live no matter how bad the curcumstance get. I just wonder about the story of this tree and how it came to look like it present form. I wonder what it looked like before it go to this state. Very facinating. You could almost imaging that this tree walks around the forest when no one is looking...LOL.

Thanks for share you travels.

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Post  Kevin S - Wisco Bonsai Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:15 pm

Arthur Joura wrote:There is also inherent in the process of recovery some element of greater character. In order for any given thing to recover - whether tree or environment, city or individual human being - it must first suffer some serious setback. A thing must be beaten, broken, perhaps even brought to its knees before any process of recovery can begin, if it happens at all. From that low beginning, an entity that seeks to recover must first endure, and summon the will to go on. It must suffer the defeat but fight back, and persist in the struggle for however long it takes. Forever after that, it bears the stamp of the ordeal, for better or for worse. This is what I mean by character. The trees I saw at Bayou Savauge survived the ordeal of Hurricane Katrina and have been in recovery for 10 years now. They were reshaped by the ordeal, and bear the scars to prove it. If they can hold on, if they can continue to recover, time will continue to smooth over the damage until one day the scars will be mostly erased, and those that can still be plainly seen will be enhanced and made majestic by the grace of time. They will have greater character than any of their kind that never underwent a similar ordeal.

Do I need to point out that this has everything to do with bonsai?

no, but i am glad you did... amen, brother.

thanks for another well written post, which in this case, also serves to make one think about our place in the chaos of destruction and rebirth... hard times do indeed build character, strength and resilience to future strife... i tend to feel somewhat sorry for people who have lived an "easy life" as i feel they are ill-equipped to deal with hardship when (and if) they encounter it... as you, i think that applies to trees as well.

also brings to mind a line from a song/poem i wrote a long time ago:

"come, feel your place in this cycle of life..."

i sincerely hope you consider writing a book one day, arthur...
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Post  jgeanangel Tue Feb 24, 2015 5:54 pm

Hey Friends! This past weekend I had the opportunity to make another video with Master Joura! This time the victim was an American Hornbeam. I hope you enjoy!


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Post  DougB Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:20 pm

A great big thanks to Mr Martin for such a marvelous bonsai. And to Ken for the perfect pot for this tree.

And Arthur what a great lesson in accepting and respecting what is. So often we only see the ugly and just have to fix it and change it into our vision of perfection. This tree and not just your discussion, but in reality seeing the natural beauty is a model for us all.

thanks as always Arthur and JohnG.
ps John love your hair styling.
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Post  Stephen Krall Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:33 pm

What a magnificent tree!

Thank You John for giving us another great video. I have enjoyed watching so many of them and you are a real asset to the bonsai community with all that you share through them.

Arthur, thank you so much for sharing your bonsai vision and wisdom, it is something always enlightens me and I look forward to every opportunity to learn from you. I hope some day you consider putting your, vision, thoughts and wisdom on paper, until then I look forward to future entries and meetings.

Steve
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Post  Richard S Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:01 pm

Wonderful tree and another excellent video.

I love naturalistic deciduous trees and they don't get much more naturalistic that this fantastic Hornbeam!

Thanks John and Arthur.

Regards

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Post  Kevin S - Wisco Bonsai Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:50 pm

well, that was one of the most heartfelt and humble treatments of a tree that i have ever seen.

part of why i dig arthur's work so much is that his ego does not mind being left outside when approaching material like this.

thanks sooo much for posting that john

and for those of you who don't know, john g. is one helluvan artist in his own right... check out his several videos on the creation of his flat top cypress... and last night i watched (2x) his video on his creation of a lace rock planting... outstanding !!!

i for one want to drag him back (kicking and screaming Razz ) to posting more here on the IBC Wink
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Post  Stephen Krall Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:58 pm

beer city snake wrote: i for one want to drag him back (kicking and screaming Razz ) to posting more here on the IBC Wink

Agreed! I have his you tube channel in my favorites.

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Post  Sam Ogranaja Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:30 am

Stephen Krall wrote:
beer city snake wrote: i for one want to drag him back (kicking and screaming Razz ) to posting more here on the IBC Wink

Agreed! I have his you tube channel in my favorites.

Steve

Me three Smile John is amazing!!! His technique and patience is inspiring. His flat top, bald cypress will knock the socks off of anyone lucky enough to see it in person. I wonder how many layers of clothes John wears every time he looks at that tree, since it's in his backyard? LOL

John and Arthur, Thanks for sharing that video!!! That's one of the finest examples of Hornbeam I've ever seen and I can't wait to see it in person.

Have a great week!!!
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Post  DougB Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:14 pm

beer city snake wrote:
and for those of you who don't know, john g. is one helluvan artist in his own right...

Hey guys don't forget the 'hidden maestro -- KEN!
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Post  dick benbow Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:15 am

Arthur comes to the Pacific northwest in March. Seattle and Portland area clubs will have an opportunity to see and appreciate his artistry. I'm really into local trees,
so birds of a feather.... will happily get together.
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