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Post  Michael longnecker on Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:29 pm

Can anyone identify this cast iron pot? It has two drainage holes evenly spaced .[url=img]http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t12052-cast-iron-pot#125896[/img]]img]http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t12052-cast-iron-pot#125896[/img][/url][url=][/url]


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Re: Cast iron pot

Post  chappy56 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:50 am

No picture on this end...

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Post  Michael longnecker on Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:46 am

Got pic to post!

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 11:34 am

I have heard that the Chinese sometimes burned incense in containers like this? Does it show any residue of that type of use?
But, the style says Japanese to me. The Japanese made low cookers that held charcoal under a grid for cooking. This one seems a little shallow for that use.

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:13 pm

Hi Michael

It is an incenseburner....used in tempels ....filled with sand.
It can be used as a doban ( metal-suiban)....filled with sand, with a nice suiseki-stone.

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Cast iron pot

Post  Michael longnecker on Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:11 pm

Why would there be the two one inch diameter holes cast in the bottom if they aren't for drainage?

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Post  Guest on Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:58 pm

Michael longnecker wrote:Why would there be the two one inch diameter holes cast in the bottom if they aren't for drainage?

I have no idea....maybe it is a bonsaipot, and not a doban after all.

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:11 pm

If it is an incense burner the holes would help with air for burning and also to lighten the weight

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Re: Cast iron pot

Post  BigDave on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:21 pm

Or someone had a drill

Laughing

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:24 pm

If the holes are large and square or rectangular I lean toward incense burner even more.

Cast Iron isn't easy to drill, it can be quite brittle.

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Post  Michael longnecker on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:26 pm

Dave Holes are not perfectly ROUND so appear to be cast instead of drilled?
Dimensions of pot are 12" long x 7 1/2" wide x 3 1/2 " deep..... 7/8" diameter holes.

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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:45 am

Billy M. Rhodes wrote:If it is an incense burner the holes would help with air for burning and also to lighten the weight

I have seen many incense burners, none of them have holes. Could we have a closeup photo of the holes?, as I am temptet to give BigDave right...they are drilled.

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Post  Michael longnecker on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:29 pm

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Post  Guest on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:38 pm

Hi Michael

The photos are very small, and I can not blow them up, so I can't be sure.....but the hole look very drilled to me...please check if the metal look "fresh" inside the hole....and are you sure it is iron....dobans is normaly made from brass, bronze or copper.

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Post  Michael longnecker on Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:53 pm

Inside of hole not "fresh"...very rough and jagged.
Definetly appears to be cast iron...quite rusted.

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You know how to upload photos, thats a start !

Post  BigDave on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:09 pm

Michael longnecker wrote:Dave Holes are not perfectly ROUND so appear to be cast instead of drilled?
Dimensions of pot are 12" long x 7 1/2" wide x 3 1/2 " deep..... 7/8" diameter holes.

Mr Longnecker,
Ha ha you are gettin there. Yvonne is right, bigger and more photos and I bet some one will give you a better answer.

Irregular holes could be torch made I suppose also. It wouldn't take long to oxidize and look original.

Either way it is now a bonsai pot if you so choose , right cheers

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Post  Michael longnecker on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:43 pm

Just found out holes NOT cut by torch. Doesn't cut like steel....would be blowing out blobs.

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Post  BigDave on Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:07 pm

Michael longnecker wrote:Just found out holes NOT cut by torch. Doesn't cut like steel....would be blowing out blobs.

yes Sir, would take a bit of skill wouldnt it, but would account for irrregular edge. Moot point now though.

what are your plans for this pot?

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Post  JimLewis on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:02 pm

As a bonsai pot it will rust -- and that, I suppose will supply iron to the tree. <g>

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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:16 am

This is one of the most interesting threads on the forum! OK, so I'll put in my two cents.

The fact that .....

"Inside of hole not "fresh"...very rough and jagged.
Definetly appears to be cast iron...quite rusted"

.... neither supports nor confirms a "cast" or "drilled" hole. After all, that's what rust does - deterioates smooth edges. We're back to square one.

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Post  Guest on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:53 am

The fact that it’s cast iron makes me think it was made for either temples or some commercial use.

The holes (almost certainly cast) indicate it’s used as a planter (not necessarily bonsai). My gut feeling is that it was produced for use as a planter/incense vessel outside of shops, near the curb (as is often seen in “the east”) or for temples - both cases being seen anywhere from India to China and from Japan to Indonesia.

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Post  BigDave on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:14 pm

Mr Scion,

Very good deductions, you are smart. In the US we use cast iron for making cornbread...mostly

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smells good as incense and taste lots better

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Post  JimLewis on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:50 pm

I have to doubt that it was used as a planter. It would quickly be covered in rust.

Remember that your bbq grills all have holes in the bottoms to provide air flow to keep the coals hot. I'm fairly confident this was an incense burner.

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Re: Cast iron pot

Post  Guest on Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:05 am

BigDave wrote: In the US we use cast iron for making cornbread...mostly

Gosh! You Americans must have some VERY strong teeth! We use flour in Europe Laughing


JimLewis wrote:
Remember that your bbq grills all have holes in the bottoms to provide air flow to keep the coals hot.

True. However, incense sticks don't lie on the bottom of a partially enclosed vessel. They rely upon the oxygen readily available well above the edge of the "pot". It is also true that there are incense "cones" that might benefit from your theory of bottom holes but .......... only marginally.

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Post  Guest on Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:26 am

You might be right, Jim.

sub title: "Whole: The incense material is burned directly in its raw unprocessed form on top of coal embers."

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Weihrauch.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQqs310WNH4




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