My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
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Sakaki
Khaimraj Seepersad
Velodog2
Andrew Legg
Ed Spaans
Justin Hervey
Billy M. Rhodes
EpicusMaximus
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My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
I bought this little tree over the weekend.
I was wondering if anybody had particular advice going forward? I know this type of tree isn't a traditional bonsai, but I'm still a beginner and I read positive things about it.
I know it needs lots of light, but is it OK to keep it in direct sunlight? That's what I've been doing (outside during the day, and inside at night). I am gauging the watering needs by observing the leaves. Some started to show signs of needing water so I watered it. I know I have to let it dry out between watering. Should I next time wait until a majority of leaves show these signs, or just a few?
Thanks!
I was wondering if anybody had particular advice going forward? I know this type of tree isn't a traditional bonsai, but I'm still a beginner and I read positive things about it.
I know it needs lots of light, but is it OK to keep it in direct sunlight? That's what I've been doing (outside during the day, and inside at night). I am gauging the watering needs by observing the leaves. Some started to show signs of needing water so I watered it. I know I have to let it dry out between watering. Should I next time wait until a majority of leaves show these signs, or just a few?
Thanks!
Last edited by EpicusMaximus on Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:45 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : specific title)
EpicusMaximus- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
Get ride of the spagnum moss. Are the rocks glued on? if so get them off, don't overwater, use a meat skewer in the soil to test for moisture. Most plants can take full sun, the danger comes when you give it too much sun too fast, whey do you bring it in at night? Actually some Jade have won awards as bonsai.
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
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I bring it in at night in case of sudden temperature drops. Even though it's September the weather can suddenly drop to below 10 celcius during the night at this time of the year. A few weeks ago it dropped to 4.
The rocks are not glued on, and I will remove the moss. I was actually wondering about that yesterday since I figured it couldn't be good to have sometimes humid moss around the trunk.
I'll also remove the moss around my juniper then.
The rocks are not glued on, and I will remove the moss. I was actually wondering about that yesterday since I figured it couldn't be good to have sometimes humid moss around the trunk.
I'll also remove the moss around my juniper then.
EpicusMaximus- Member
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EpicusMaximus wrote:I bring it in at night in case of sudden temperature drops. Even though it's September the weather can suddenly drop to below 10 celcius during the night at this time of the year. A few weeks ago it dropped to 4.
Although as an American I don't equate Celcius to a real temperature, the Jade can probably survive 0 C without damage, but it will need protection from frost.
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
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Hi E'Max, your tree will handle those temperature ranges with ease, frost will be more of a problem though.
These trees are as tough as nail so what you have been doing will be fine. I very rarely wire mine as the 'clip and grow' method works very well.
Good luck.
These trees are as tough as nail so what you have been doing will be fine. I very rarely wire mine as the 'clip and grow' method works very well.
Good luck.
Justin Hervey- Member
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Thanks Justin. I guess I'll leave it outside then, until temps drop lower.
About pinching leaves on this tree, I have pinched 2 only so far. In both cases I have used by thumb and index finger and on both occasions a very small piece of the leaf was left attached (probably the size of the head of a BIC pen). This little leftover dried up and the branch seems to be OK. Is this the right method or should I be using scissors?
Also, I had some concerns about watering. Is my method of judging by the leaves OK? And if so, how many leaves should be showing signs of needing water before I do indeed water?
About pinching leaves on this tree, I have pinched 2 only so far. In both cases I have used by thumb and index finger and on both occasions a very small piece of the leaf was left attached (probably the size of the head of a BIC pen). This little leftover dried up and the branch seems to be OK. Is this the right method or should I be using scissors?
Also, I had some concerns about watering. Is my method of judging by the leaves OK? And if so, how many leaves should be showing signs of needing water before I do indeed water?
EpicusMaximus- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
I water my Portulacaria Afra daily here in SW lower MI. Also, I cut the leaves off with a scissors. When the thing gets leggy, it's 30 years old, I completely deleaf it. The new leaves come in much smaller. In the winter, it lives under growlights.
Ed Spaans
Ed Spaans
Ed Spaans- Member
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EpicusMaximus wrote:
Also, I had some concerns about watering. Is my method of judging by the leaves OK? And if so, how many leaves should be showing signs of needing water before I do indeed water?
As Justin says, Jade's are bomb-proof, so don't spend too much time over-analysing it. Relax and just enjoy the tree. Water it and let the growing mix almost dry out, and then water again.
Cheers,
Andrew
Andrew Legg- Member
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Ed Spaans wrote:I water my Portulacaria Afra daily here in SW lower MI. Also, I cut the leaves off with a scissors. When the thing gets leggy, it's 30 years old, I completely deleaf it. The new leaves come in much smaller. In the winter, it lives under growlights.
Ed Spaans
Watering can be very dependent on the growing media, a plant in well drained media can be watered daily, but one in a more moisture retentive media will die if over watered.
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
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I also water my portulacaria the same as my other trees, pretty much daily. They do seem to do best in free-draining coniferous soil mix. However, I have had trimmings root and grow in plain gravel in a tray with no drainage at all with roots constantly wet and sometimes in standing water for days after a rain. It's a strange tree.
Velodog2- Member
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Thanks for all the advice.
The tree is producing a lot of new growth. How frequently should I go about pruning?
There are some branches with random leaves halfway on the branch, if I remove that leaf will many more sprout?
How much of a cluster of leaves should I remove?
The tree is producing a lot of new growth. How frequently should I go about pruning?
There are some branches with random leaves halfway on the branch, if I remove that leaf will many more sprout?
How much of a cluster of leaves should I remove?
EpicusMaximus- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
EpicusMaximus wrote:Thanks for all the advice.
The tree is producing a lot of new growth. How frequently should I go about pruning?
Prune as needed.
There are some branches with random leaves halfway on the branch, if I remove that leaf will many more sprout?
Maybe
How much of a cluster of leaves should I remove?
What looks good?
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
So billy, what I gather from your post is that whatever looks good to me is OK with this tree?
What about branches, can those be pruned easily, is there a special technique to pruning jade branches?
What about branches, can those be pruned easily, is there a special technique to pruning jade branches?
EpicusMaximus- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
EpicusMaximus wrote:So billy, what I gather from your post is that whatever looks good to me is OK with this tree?
What about branches, can those be pruned easily, is there a special technique to pruning jade branches?
As long as you don't let it freeze you are OK. Just make sure you use a sharp knife or other tool and make a clean cut.
This is Jim Vanlandingham of Old Florida Bonsai in Vero Beach, FL working on a Jade at our BSOB meeting on 9/15/12.
Billy M. Rhodes- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
Am I going to stunt the growth of the trunk or make it's growth extra slow if I keep it in Bonsai pots as it grows? My plan was to upgrade to larger pots as the tree grows.
I will fertilize once a month during the winter... is it twice during the summer?
I will fertilize once a month during the winter... is it twice during the summer?
EpicusMaximus- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
EpicusMaximus wrote:Am I going to stunt the growth of the trunk or make it's growth extra slow if I keep it in Bonsai pots as it grows? My plan was to upgrade to larger pots as the tree grows.
I will fertilize once a month during the winter... is it twice during the summer?
The smaller the pot the slower the plant grows, unless there is so much soil that the plant rots. So, Yes keeping it in a bonsai pot will slow its growth, the plant in the above photo is is a bulb pan that is 8 inches wide by 4 inches deep..
Fertilizer will determine growth also but in cooler weather or reduced light I wouldn't fertilize as much.
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Billy M. Rhodes- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
Hi EpicusMaximus
Listen for what Mr. Rhodes says. They really works!!!
Listen for what Mr. Rhodes says. They really works!!!
Sakaki- Member
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The grow pot can also be an earthenware pot and some of the Chinese bonsai pots are also glazed, but porous, earthenware pots.
Later.
Khaimraj
*Nice one Billy,hadn't thought of simply changing the diameter, but not the depth of an earthenware pot. Thank you.
Later.
Khaimraj
*Nice one Billy,hadn't thought of simply changing the diameter, but not the depth of an earthenware pot. Thank you.
Khaimraj Seepersad- Member
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Guys guys guys, and garls ofcourse
We have to learn to get this right. Each continent cannot just name plants accordingly to the name they like.
Portulacaria afra is NOT a JADE tree
Its a PORK bush or ELEPHANT bush.
Crassula argentea is the JADE tree.
There is nothing 'Jade' about Portulacaria afra!
Love and light
Andre
We have to learn to get this right. Each continent cannot just name plants accordingly to the name they like.
Portulacaria afra is NOT a JADE tree
Its a PORK bush or ELEPHANT bush.
Crassula argentea is the JADE tree.
There is nothing 'Jade' about Portulacaria afra!
Love and light
Andre
Andre Beaurain- Member
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As far as the Elephant Bush goes, what I really wondered about was the density of branchlet and leaf.
Every image I have seen of well trained shrubs, always ends up flattened and no one ever shows a view from underneath, or in some way shows the density that comes with advanced training/
Later.
Khaimraj
Every image I have seen of well trained shrubs, always ends up flattened and no one ever shows a view from underneath, or in some way shows the density that comes with advanced training/
Later.
Khaimraj
Khaimraj Seepersad- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:As far as the Elephant Bush goes, what I really wondered about was the density of branchlet and leaf.
Every image I have seen of well trained shrubs, always ends up flattened and no one ever shows a view from underneath, or in some way shows the density that comes with advanced training/
Later.
Khaimraj
Dear Khaimraj,
What do you mean with underneath?
Sakaki- Member
Re: My mini-jade bonsai (Portulacaria Afra)
Sakaki,
a look up into the tree from under the first branch. That would give a hint of the density.
Later.
Khaimraj
a look up into the tree from under the first branch. That would give a hint of the density.
Later.
Khaimraj
Khaimraj Seepersad- Member
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Sakaki, I think what Khaimaraj meant is..... ( ooo sounds like the opening of a mills and boons paperback novel, with eastern ifluences ofcourse )
.. One never sees the ramification of an Elephant tree,
I speculate that it doesnt form ramification so readily, or adall like other trees, because the branhces becomes heavy too quickly, and then bends down before ramification can occur. This is the way the trees propagate in nature. and where they touch the ground they form new roots and a new tree emerges. Trees hardly grow taller that 4 metres.
Two interesting facts,..
The leaves are edible, and strangly, the one Elephant tree is more sour than the other, in my succulent garden, isnt that weird. You can toss the leaves in a salad...think about that next time you defoliate! hahahha
Portulacaria afra is also the one plant in World that absorbs the most Carbon from the air..... look it up on the net.... very interesting.
Love and Light
.. One never sees the ramification of an Elephant tree,
I speculate that it doesnt form ramification so readily, or adall like other trees, because the branhces becomes heavy too quickly, and then bends down before ramification can occur. This is the way the trees propagate in nature. and where they touch the ground they form new roots and a new tree emerges. Trees hardly grow taller that 4 metres.
Two interesting facts,..
The leaves are edible, and strangly, the one Elephant tree is more sour than the other, in my succulent garden, isnt that weird. You can toss the leaves in a salad...think about that next time you defoliate! hahahha
Portulacaria afra is also the one plant in World that absorbs the most Carbon from the air..... look it up on the net.... very interesting.
Love and Light
Andre Beaurain- Member
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