Identifying makers marks

Need a little help on who these pot makers are and possibly their worth. I found these two pots while metal detecting in the woods. Both are marked Japan and have makers marks.

Thanks for any help.

Just laying in the woods? Hmmm? Any stolen bonsai in the area?

Bugeye wrote:Just laying in the woods? Hmmm? Any stolen bonsai in the area?

I can't help but think the same thing. These are obviously quality pots. Haven't found the first yet, but the second reads "Shukouzan".

Thank you for the replies.
Yeah I do think they were stolen. There was a shop that sold that stuff up closer to the road. It has been out of business for about 6-7 years. I think someone stole them and stashed them/ They were covered in growth and weeds and were in these wooden crates.

I came up with the one mark here
http://japanesebonsaipots.net/chop-and-signature-resource/#

Seems to be Syukozan Cant find any info about the name though?

Is this the same name diff. spelling?

The first one is "Shouzan", and yes these are high end pots. Go look for more!

baspinall wrote:Seems to be Syukozan Cant find any info about the name though?

Yes, it is misspelled. You will find the second one misspelled there too.

The first chop isn't in my Tokoname catalog from the mid 80's, so I assume it's a newer chop.

I probably will go back. It's a little hike but worth it. There was tons of broken pottery all over some of which looked to be fairly old. I was probably going to sell these. Any idea what I should ask?

Ryan would be a better judge of retail value. There are Japanese sellers on ebay with wonderful, high end pots with very good prices, even when you factor in the shipping. Then there is also a guy in Kentucky selling beautiful pots - or at least trying to sell them, if you get what I mean.

I know a guy who does Bonsai's as a business I was thinking of selling them both for $200.00.

That's very generous on your part, I think.

Generous indeed. Were looking at a Shouzan Kaneshou and a second generation Akira Shouzan(often called Jukosan or Syukosan). Worth around 300$ for the pair.
As to the spellings, I think it's the same, Syu or Shu, phonetic translation from the sound combo "しゆ" in Hiragana. Since other combos with ゆ are spelled with a Y, such as "きゆ", "Kyu", I tend to write them out the same way, even though it's pronounced "Shoe". Im not alone in this, either, consider Suzuki Syuzan, same sound, always spelled with a Y.
Nice finds
Ryan
http://japanesebonsaipots.net/

Interesting. Not the way I learned hiragana in Japan or at Mississippi State, but interesting. I've often wondered about that. All I see are boxes, Ryan, so I can't compare it to anything.

I'll buy the pair for $300.- immediately- and will gladly pay for the shipping. I think they are worth a bit more these days. The first one is even more interesting, as far as I am concerned. Its definitely worth going into the woods for such trophy finds,kora

I think I know the boxes you mean! I'm completely self taught, which means I don't really know crap about Japanese, except for Bonsai and pottery stuff, so there's a better than average chance I'm totally wrong Russell. The "box" does indeed say "Shu", I guess I picked this up somewhere and it stuck with me. It's funny though, affectation though it may very well be, half the time my Japanese buddies use "Syu" and the other half "Shu," I cant really discern a difference
Ryan
http://japanesebonsaipots.net/