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Post  Erik Križovenský on Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:41 am

...33 kg weight king


















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Post  Kev Bailey on Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:01 am

That's a monster Mugo Eric. What a find. What a carry!

No doubt it will make one very fine bonsai after a few years in your care.

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Post  fiona on Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:43 am

Ruddy Hell, Erik! Are you training for the World's Strongest Man competition? What a beast! What in heaven's name are the dimensions of 1. the box and 2. the tree?

I do so sincerely hope it makes good health in its new home. It's a stunner to to work with and you will no doubt produce a stunning result. I'm really looking forward to the ongoing saga of this one.

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Post  Nik Rozman on Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:54 am

Did you collect it at this time of the year? Do you have any experience with collecting at this time?
Did you put it in pure akadama? Why?


As you can see I'm full of questions. cyclops



...buy the way. Nice mugo. Very Happy

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Post  DaveP on Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:39 pm

Nik Rozman wrote:Did you collect it at this time of the year? Do you have any experience with collecting at this time?

Nik,

Mugo are the one pine that prefers to be repotted in June and early July. The season for collecting and potting mugo pines is quickly closing. Smile Looks like Erik got a real stunner here!

Kindest~
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Post  Ed van der Reek on Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:44 pm

Hi Erik,great find affraid
And to collect such a heavy monster is to much for one person,call me next time when you collect another big tree bounce lol!
This is a great tree for the future,I will follow the development in this post with great interest cheers
Greetings Ed

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Post  Nik Rozman on Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:24 pm

DaveP wrote:
Nik Rozman wrote:Did you collect it at this time of the year? Do you have any experience with collecting at this time?

Nik,

Mugo are the one pine that prefers to be repotted in June and early July. The season for collecting and potting mugo pines is quickly closing. Smile Looks like Erik got a real stunner here!

Kindest~
-d
I know they are collected in summer like in august and early september. But not so soon in late june and july. Well, I know now.
...let's go hunting then bounce

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Post  Tony on Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:10 pm

Hi Erik,

Looks like you collected a good amount of Root also. Very nice material, compact, good movement and very healthy.... everything you want in great yamadori.

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Post  Erik Križovenský on Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:18 am

Thank you all for your interest.
Mugo has a very good root system, only capillary roots in clean needles as a substrate, on the rock.
1,800 m on the mountain to the following works normally...
In this level there was this spring 25. 6. 2009, when I digged - only hoist up.

Substrat I created as needles, air and easily, akadama is only on the surface, for indication irrigation.

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Post  Matija Triglav Tijek on Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:22 pm

congratulations Erik!!!

What a beauty! I like it very much! Fingers crossed. I would like to say just one thing. I think it is pointless if we are talking about time when tree should be dig out, like August or spring or something like that. We should be talking about, in what phase of yearly growth must be tree when it is dig out... before opening buds or when new buds are formed or some others indicators... . On first picture I can see that candles are slightly open. I'm guessing that you are catching that phase. I heard that sylvestris must be dig in this phase. I collect mugo when buds or candles are formed, but not to late that roots have time to rehab before winter. Ones I tried like you did and needles didn't grow. They stayed short like they were on collecting day. Tree did survived but not like we all want. I want to hear your and others experience with mugo pine.

greetings Matija

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Post  Erik Križovenský on Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:21 pm

... on the branches, I count the rings 10 to 1 mm.
How do I help this, if I want to know
how many rings on the trunk? Trunk is 20 cm ...
On the trunk are certainly not as densely ... Smile

thanks


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Post  Mario Stefano on Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:47 am

Great mugo! Good luck. I am interested in the same as Matia!!?? ....

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Post  Erik Križovenský on Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:19 am

...Mario, I also.

Matja I did not answer, because I have been waiting for
answers more experienced.

I have two deadlines:

- 1. When the bud opened at 10% -30% - spring (over 1,800 m - around june).
Mugo draw energy from the strain, although the roots are still
sleep, sometimes even in the frozen earth.

- 2. When the bud is mature - summer (august).
Mugo then be put straight on the sun to
tree root had until winter arrives.

But in my view the most up to perfection root balu.
Therefore, from the ground does not Mugo
garden tools, but I withdraw - from the rock. There is not a clay,
only challenged needles. Mugo exactly where he lives
as in-bonsai dish.

...thanks

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Post  fiona on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:04 am

Hi Erik. I've been following this post because I'm amazed at the scale of both the tree and your task to dig it out. Can I just check my understanding of a couple of points?
Erik Križovenský wrote: - 2. When the bud is mature - summer (august).
Mugo then be put straight on the sun to tree root had until winter arrives.
Does this mean that you are letting the roots of the tree acclimatise (adapt to its new situation/climate) by putting the tree in full sun?

Erik Križovenský wrote: But in my view the most up to perfection root balu. Therefore, from the ground does not Mugo garden tools, but I withdraw - from the rock. There is not a clay, only challenged needles. Mugo exactly where he lives as in-bonsai dish.
If I'm understanding this correctly, you mean that in your opinion the tree had a perfect root ball on it when you collected it. This was because it you did not dig it out of the ground but out of a rock surface. There was no actual soil round the roots, but instead it was planted in old, spent (dead) needles. You have now planted the tree in a box using old needles and in a year or so you will put it into a bonsai pot again using the needles.

I hope you are not offended by my asking these questions, as it must seem like I am criticising your English - especially when I couldn't even begin to speak or write in your language! But I find your information fascinating and I just want to be sure I have understood you correctly. Looking forward to seeing how the tree develops over the years

Fiona

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Post  Erik Križovenský on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:20 am

...my English is poor, including through
Google Translate.

But you understand everything correctly - I think Smile

Even so,
each tree is different and not everyone is praying for them...

Thank you for your patience.

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Post  fiona on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:28 am

Thanks Erik. Your English is actually quite good - Google translator has a habit of getting words out of their correct context tho'.

I'll certainly be praying for the tree's good health. But I don't know if I'm in favour with gods of any sort these days! Very Happy

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Post  Mario Stefano on Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:39 am

Thank you Erik on the information!

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Post  wabashene on Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:22 pm

Erik Križovenský wrote:... on the branches, I count the rings 10 to 1 mm.
How do I help this, if I want to know
how many rings on the trunk? Trunk is 20 cm ...
On the trunk are certainly not as densely ... Smile

thanks


Excellent yamadori Erik.

Can't really tell but at an estimate there looks to be at least 70 rings on that branch cross section.

So you can probably estimate a minimum and I stress minimum age by the branch position on the tree.

Pines typically produce one whorl of major branches per year.

If you can figure how many branch whorls up the tree the cut branch came from you add that to the rings on the branch to get a minimum age.

So if this branch has 80 rings and is 5 whorls up the tree that= 85 years old.

Hope this helps

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Post  Erik Križovenský on Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:58 pm

...thanks wabashene,

but I need to know how many years has the whole tree.
I guess more than 300 years, and you?... Smile

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Post  Erik Križovenský on Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:20 pm

...I am a bit impatient, I have drawn...





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Post  gman on Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:41 pm

Your drawing reminds me of a Rocky Mountain Sheep....

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Post  fiona on Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:57 pm

I see a phoenix.

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Post  Mario Stefano on Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:02 am

Great idea thumbs up

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Post  Nik Rozman on Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:07 am

Super drawing! I like your idea.

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Post  wabashene on Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:50 am

Erik Križovenský wrote:...thanks wabashene,

but I need to know how many years has the whole tree.
I guess more than 300 years, and you?... Smile

Hello Erik,

I'm not a tree dating expert by any means.

Adding the branch position to the number of rings on the branch to give an overall age for the tree doesn't allow for loss of original low branches, broken off tops and re-growth so this tree could well be 300 yrs old.

We can safely say its well over 100 as the 80 odd year old branch seems to be from quite high up the tree.

Difficult to equate thickness with age in my opinion and I don't think it makes much difference if the tree is 50 years or 500 years when dealing with material of this quality.

However, I do appreciate that age can be a big factor for some collectors.

It has clearly been buried and crushed under metres of snow and ice for all of its life which will have added to its aged appearance and shape.

Maybe experienced European collectors like Peter Thali, Wolfgang Putz or Walter Pall could give you a better opinion on the age.

Great visualisation of the final image - wish I could draw Very Happy

thks

TimR

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