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Post  reg-i on Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:56 pm

I live in zone 10 and its not the best climate for maples I can grow regular tridents but they do get a little crisp in the summer now I found these Taiwan tridents that are supposed to be much hardier I could not find them anywhere in the States I had to get them from a guy in the same zone as me in Australia what i'm wondering is there anyone with experience with this maple and can I please see some pictures seeing that theres not much on the web. Right know I have like 20 seedlings

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:08 pm

I am north of you in Florida and have no luck at all with Trident Maples. It seems my garden's microclimate is just too hot.
Good luck with the Taiwanese Trident - keep in mind the tridents in Taiwan usually grow at high altitudes. Not many mountains near Stuart that I know of. Wink

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Post  JimLewis on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:20 pm

I can't help with tridents in South Florida, but you need to realize that those little trees are severely chlorotic and are unlikely to survive unless they get some micronutrients -- at least Iron or Magnesium, or both.

I'm told that Tridents don't like salt spray so if you live on the Atlantic side of Stuart that could be a problem.

It's always frustrating when you want (and try) to grow plants that simply do not grow well where you live. Iris calls it "Zone envy."


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Post  reg-i on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:38 pm

im going out right now but when I get back i'll post some pics of my common tridents they grow like weeds for me some of them look better then some of my rubrums also there is something I use to spry on the leaves i'll post it when I get back

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Post  reg-i on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:39 pm

thats an old pic there better now

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Post  Guest on Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:00 pm

Taiwan Trident Maple or commonly known as Miyasama Maple in Japan is a very sought after Trident species in Japan. My understanding is that Miyasama is more heat tolerant than the regular Trident. Do a google search on "Taiwan Trident, USDA zone" and you will get some useful info. on how tolerant it is.

Miyasama is definitely hard to find in the US, and supposedly makes and excellent bonsai. I haven't seen many pictures of it though. I have a 7 year old plant in training.

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Post  Bruce Winter on Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:34 pm

acer ssp buergerianum formosanum
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Post  William N. Valavanis on Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:45 pm

The leaves look like Amur maple, Acer ginnala, not Trident maple.

The Miyasama trident maple has leaves much thicker and leathery than the common Trident maple.

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Post  bonsaisr on Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:18 am

JimLewis wrote: Iris calls it "Zone envy."
Rob Kempinski coined the term. I just suffer loudly from it. Mad
Iris

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Post  bonsaisr on Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:33 am

Acer buergerianum subsp. formosanum is not an accepted name. It is just Acer buergerianum. It is very common to have a plant population with horticultural significance, but with no special botanical name because it has no taxonomic significance.
I agree with Bill that your seedlings look more like Acer tataricum subsp. ginnala than A. buergerianum. Amur maple is prone to chlorosis, in my experience. Grow them up & see how they turn out.
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Post  jrodriguez on Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:41 am

Well, I have both Acer buergeranium, var. Formosana and another type that is heat tolerant called Acer buergeranium, var. Ningpoense. Both look alike, with leaves similar to a duck's foot and unlike the seedlings you show us. Both the trees I mentioned have flat leaves, which are sough after in trident bonsai.

In my habitat, protection from the heat is a must. They go dormant in late November and wake up in mid April. The red flush of leaves is quite beautiful.

Kind regards,

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Post  reg-i on Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:45 am

they are taiwan tridents I noticed some variation with the seedlings though and the flash made the leaves look more yellow then they are I will take some more pics to clear this up

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Post  reg-i on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:09 am

come on guys give me a break there still little seedlings there starting to get the leathery look now the leaves are definitely thicker




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Post  reg-i on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:17 am

jrodriguez wrote:Well, I have both Acer buergeranium, var. Formosana and another type that is heat tolerant called Acer buergeranium, var. Ningpoense. Both look alike, with leaves similar to a duck's foot and unlike the seedlings you show us. Both the trees I mentioned have flat leaves, which are sough after in trident bonsai.

In my habitat, protection from the heat is a must. They go dormant in late November and wake up in mid April. The red flush of leaves is quite beautiful.

Kind regards,

Jose luis
I'm interested in this Acer buergeranium, var. Ningpoense I would love to see a picture I noticed the dormancy in my other tridents going longer then the other deciduous trees I have this year like you mentioned so I should probably wait a little longer to work on them this coming year thanks for the insight now where do I get a ningpoense bounce

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Post  RKatzin on Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:55 am

Here's a pic of a Trident 'Ningpoense' from ForestFarm.com. This one gallon size is between 2'-3' and costs $35US plus your shipping. Fair warning: you're going to find a whole lot of stuff in their catalog you're going to want!

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Post  hibonsai on Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:33 am

I live in zone 10 and would be interested. Where did you get them from? Did you buy seeds?

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Post  Guest on Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:01 pm

RKatzin wrote:Here's a pic of a Trident 'Ningpoense' from ForestFarm.com. This one gallon size is between 2'-3' and costs $35US plus your shipping. Fair warning: you're going to find a whole lot of stuff in their catalog you're going to want! ]

RKatzin,

You really shouldn't have posted the 'forestfarm' site... I ended ordering a 1 gallon Kotobuki JBP. Can you believe that i am actually trying to down-size my collection at the same time ordering a Kotobuki. Now I have to think what tree I will get rid of to make space on my benches. Thanks anyway... Smile

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Post  drgonzo on Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:26 pm

311 different kinds of maple alone! Forest farm just got a bookmark from me! WOW

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Post  RKatzin on Sun Sep 18, 2011 3:25 am

Would you believe that place is 20 miles from my house?! Sorry, but I can not be responsible for anyone who opens their catalog. I did warn you! LOL!

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Post  roberthu526 on Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:37 pm

I just bought some seeds over ebay. Any suggestions on the germination process?

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Post  Gary Swiech on Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:07 pm

I've been dealing with Forest Farm Nursery for about 8 years now. Check out Ulmus Parvifolia "Allee". A beautiful tree. I planted 2 in the ground and one in a pot 2 years ago.

Forest Farm has a very good selection of plants.

I think that tree is Acer buergeranium, var. Formosana

It's not Acer ginnala, the leaves look way to thick.


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Post  kayamooney on Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:56 pm

Wish I would have found this thread a while ago, this guy lives in my town and I've been desperately looking for maples other than A. Rubrum I can grow in my area.

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Post  Neli on Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:10 am

So from your experience, Which are the tridents best suited for hot climate?

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Post  brett2013 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:20 am

reg-i wrote:come on guys give me a break there still little seedlings there starting to get the leathery look now the leaves are definitely thicker




Looks like getting more fertilizer than needed ?

I've tried growing baby maples in my very hot humid climate, not very encouraging. however, adult trident maples are doing so well.

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Post  Neli on Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:04 am

This might be of some help to you:
If a tree is grown from seedling, bending /wiring the trunk while it is very small should be considered also. That is what the Japanese do to their trees and use sacrifice branches to fatten after that.
Chopping a tree when You want to heal the wound fast can be done with the wedge method...half way chopping/carving it and leaving the top portion to grow. It results in faster healing and additional growth to the lower section, while developing the second section of the trunk.
Just something to consider in this case.
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I sent my cook to bring one from outside...it is going in the ground soon. It is one year old seedling.





This is how the wedge method works...You carve the blue part ones the trunk has reached the desired thickness, and let it grow so the red line heals.

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