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Post  nguyển thái lý on Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:35 am

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Post  Guest on Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:10 am

Hi Nguyen Thai Ly

I like your tower, and somehow, is the wooden seat very elegant, for the stone....I dont like the stand and the bonsai, with the stone.
A good idea, if you add your country, to your profile.

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Post  nguyển thái lý on Thu Mar 31, 2011 4:08 pm

mai address is giangho347@yahoo.com

Thank you Yvonne Grauback interest in my post, I am also very interested in your rock if you please send me your picture stone house, thanks

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Post  Guest on Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:18 pm

Dear Nguyen Thai Ly

My hutstone 11 x 9 x 6 cm. From Kamogawa, the river that runs through Kyoto.

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Post  vlado on Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:35 pm

Yvonne, the stone is beautiful, I hope that it is not worked with power tool.....is it ?
I have never seen hutstone shaped like this one.
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Post  Guest on Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:24 pm

Hi Vlado

The stone is for shure natural, and sold as.
But I think, it has a very small cut in the left tip of the roof, maybe it had a another very small "horn", and they decided to remove it, for the ballance....but I am not sure, just resently I notised it.

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Post  nguyển thái lý on Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:57 am

vlado wrote:Yvonne, the stone is beautiful, I hope that it is not worked with power tool.....is it ?
I have never seen hutstone shaped like this one.
vlado


Welcome Yvonne Grauback

great, with your stone, very beautiful, but I found something very irrational urge my friend, thank you



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Post  ogie on Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:42 am

Hello,
Nice stone there but i like a more simple daiza for it so that the stone will be our focus,thanks for sharig,keep on posting,are you base at ?Vietnam?
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Alex/Ogie Smile

Yvonne....Great hut stone....envy envy Very Happy

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Post  nguyển thái lý on Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:26 am

WELCOME YOU OGIE

THANK YOU FOR COMMENTING ON MY Daiza Stone, I'll edit again later, and I hope WHEN YOU WILL CHAIR TO SOUTH VIETNAM NON my shop

SUISEKI. Co Thach QUAN

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Post  ogie on Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:37 am

Hi Nguyen thai ly,
Went to Vietnam two years ago,would love to go back this year,if possible will be happy to meet you guys
Regards,
Ogie Smile


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Re: Ancient Tower

Post  Chris Cochrane on Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:25 pm

Yvonne's hut stone is OBVIOUSLY not natural, and I am surprised she isn't aware of it. These crafted 'stones" (note: they might be ceramic or carved stone) are seen as handicraft decorations at Japanese temple & street fairs. They are not typically intended as fraudulent suiseki, but as decoration.

Carved stones are common in Japan. Dr. Thomas Elias & along with his wife Hiromi Nakaoji spoke at Potomac Viewing Stone Group's most recent meeting and noted that somewhat over half the stones mounted and displayed in Japan are carved-- many posing as suiseki. They didn't name their source (or sources), but Tom & Hiromi travel widely & have gathered extraordinary suiseki as well as considerable knowledge.

Would a naturally contoured stone have such a twisting, furrowed surface but display a sharp, evenly undercut overhang? Would a naturally-contoured stone have a penetrating hole piercing the stone to indicate a flat-floored living space parrallel to the roof overhang? It is ridiculous to make such an assertion even if you haven't seen other examples.

Most crafted stones are not so readily discernable. Do you recall the IBC post after this year's Kokufuten where a visitor showed an outside vendor's table showing many similar waterpool stones with miniature dippers. These were not suiseki, but handicraft items for decoration. They look natural, but to find shallow stones with deep pools is not common. If it looks too good to be true, apply your common sense to judge.

Stones which are too realistic are not the ideal of suiseki. Italy's Bonsai Museum in Parabaggio displays pattern stones which are so photo-realistic as to seem impossible. Such ideal images are not an elevated standard for suiseki, which appreciates the impression of a scene or object which must be completed by the viewer.

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Post  Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:58 pm

Chris Cochrane, inbetween you appears to be plain stupid, and ignorant

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Post  Chris Cochrane on Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:48 pm

Hi Yvonne... I am largely ignorant, but I try to learn.

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Post  Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:04 pm

Me too, but not this time

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Post  peterbrod on Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:38 pm

Ivon is a nice stone, we just learned that the Japanese produced a chimney above the room where not inhabited, as dirty and not properly treated surface again seen Chris's work of hands, only mouth

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Post  Paul Landis on Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:51 pm

Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Chris Cochrane, inbetween you appears to be plain stupid, and ignorant

I must protest the use of such statements especially in regards to Chris who spends alot of his time responding to posts here on IBC and giving alot of detailed information in those posts. Chris also has actually spent time studying in Japan so his knowledge does not come just from books. What Chis has said about hut stones I have heard from many other people including suiseki dealers --the fact is most Japanese hut stones are worked at least partially. This is a fact which can be verified from many sources.

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Post  chansen on Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:35 am

Paul Landis wrote:
Yvonne Graubaek wrote:Chris Cochrane, inbetween you appears to be plain stupid, and ignorant

I must protest the use of such statements especially in regards to Chris who spends alot of his time responding to posts here on IBC and giving alot of detailed information in those posts. Chris also has actually spent time studying in Japan so his knowledge does not come just from books. What Chis has said about hut stones I have heard from many other people including suiseki dealers --the fact is most Japanese hut stones are worked at least partially. This is a fact which can be verified from many sources.

I would also add a voice of protest. Not just with the statements being flung at Chris, but their use in general here. I have always seen and experienced this forum as a friendly environment and it disappoints me when things like this are said. Sad

To focus on the original purpose of the thread...

Nguyen thai ly - I like the stone very much. It reminds me of the material I would sometimes come across in a river I collected from in Virginia. I'm not too fond of the mounting, for me it distracts from the stone. But I do see the image your are working towards (steps up to the tower). Generally speaking, I like to have additional visual details left to a minimum. It lets me imagine from a broader perspective. I find myself less guided to a specific image and will often develop different scenes with the same stone. However, that is all personal preference and we all must create accordingly. It is a nice stone. Thanks for sharing it!

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Post  Paul Landis on Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:19 am

chansen wrote:

To focus on the original purpose of the thread...

Nguyen thai ly - I like the stone very much. It reminds me of the material I would sometimes come across in a river I collected from in Virginia. I'm not too fond of the mounting, for me it distracts from the stone. But I do see the image your are working towards (steps up to the tower). Generally speaking, I like to have additional visual details left to a minimum. It lets me imagine from a broader perspective. I find myself less guided to a specific image and will often develop different scenes with the same stone. However, that is all personal preference and we all must create accordingly. It is a nice stone. Thanks for sharing it!

I did not address the original purpose either and I agree with Chasen's thoughts on Nguyen thai ly's stone!!

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Post  Guest on Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:06 am

Hi Poul Landish, and Chris

You are rigth about almost all hutstones are worked on, or at least partially...my stone is partially worked on, the left corner, has a chimney cut off, like I wrothe in a previus reply.

My commend about Chris, came as a reaction to Chris's always in your face, way to respond. Please read one more time for your self, what he said about my very beatyful stone.

At an another point, he claimed my very nice fengli stone, was petrified wood, he was in my face, untill I namedropped 3 persons, who had actually seen the stone. It was the dragonhead mountainstone.

I think, Chris know a lot, and I want to read hes input, and also talk to him. But I dont need to be talked to, this way.

Kind regards Yvonne

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