Arborvitae bonsai
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Randy_Davis
EdMerc
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Arborvitae bonsai
I haven't seen any posts on this topic, but has anyone any luck working with arborvitae as bonsai material. It's certainly easy and cheap to come by, yet it doesn't seem to be a popular species. I know that the folliage can be a bit tough to work with and it doesn't always bud back where you want...are there any success stories, and if so, what are its limitations as bonsai stock?
Orion- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
If you search for Thuja bonsai, I think you'll find what you are looking for.
EdMerc- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
Thank you Ed, it answers a lot of questions. I take it from the number of threads on the topic that it's not too popular.
Orion- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
I've never actually seen one in person, but there are some nice example to be found if you Google "Thuja Bonsai".
I wouldn't consider it common though.
Hope this helps,
Ed
I wouldn't consider it common though.
Hope this helps,
Ed
EdMerc- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
Orion wrote:Thank you Ed, it answers a lot of questions. I take it from the number of threads on the topic that it's not too popular.
Orion,
Thuja occidentalis (American - Eastern white Cedar) is used quite extensively in the North Eastern parts of the United States. It, or some of it's cultivars are readily avaliable in nurseries world wide. Here is a link to a picture of a nice one in the ABS Reference Image Library.
Randy
http://absbonsai.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=12&pid=518#top_display_media
Randy_Davis- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
Thank you Randy. And you're 100% right in that up here they are a dime-a-dozen...I guess I never really gave them much thought until now because the branches seemed to spindly in proportion to the trunks. As per Ed, I googled it and got some interesting hits, so it may be interesting to take a crack at them.
Thank you both for your help.
Thank you both for your help.
Orion- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
Nick Lenz devotes an entire chapter in his book,"Bonsai from the Wild", to their collection and bonsai development.
Dave Murphy- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
Daves advice to check out Nick Lenz's book is good.
Thuja (eastern white cedar/arborvitae) make outstanding bonsai, although good Thuja are only usually seen in the North East, as mentioned above.
This is primarily because the only Thuja worth working with are rugged collected specimens with exciting deadwood and rugged bark. Nursery material and the average specimen in the wild are usually straight and boring... although I have seen one or two nice Thuja developed from nursery stock. In my opinion Thuja are tied with american larch for the best native material east of the Rockies.
It is sort of like Rocky Mountain Juniper. No one would go get an RMJ from a nursery and train it for bonsai. But if you know where to collect them, you could have some world class material. For this reason, the best RMJ come from the west coast, as the best Thuja are on the east coast.
The foliage of thuja is also kind of a pain, and requires years of scissor pruning and wiring before it behaves. But it is worth the work if you have the right material.
One of my favourite Thuja from the Bonsai Quebec website:
http://www.bonsaiquebec.com/logo.htm
Some more of my favs from members of the Toronto bonsai society
https://picasaweb.google.com/reigoe/TBSShowMay2010?authkey=Gv1sRgCIiY74Gt74PaxwE#slideshow/5474694942373348306
https://picasaweb.google.com/reigoe/TBSShowOct09?authkey=Gv1sRgCPuQ-PqkmMDegQE#5391792351019650514
https://picasaweb.google.com/reigoe/TBSShowOct09?authkey=Gv1sRgCPuQ-PqkmMDegQE#5391789677930658082
And if you want to see more outstanding Thuja, check out the Toronto Bosnai Society's website
http://torontobonsai.org/
Browse through Galleries --> Cedar and/or --> Shows to see some great Thuja bonsai
Thuja (eastern white cedar/arborvitae) make outstanding bonsai, although good Thuja are only usually seen in the North East, as mentioned above.
This is primarily because the only Thuja worth working with are rugged collected specimens with exciting deadwood and rugged bark. Nursery material and the average specimen in the wild are usually straight and boring... although I have seen one or two nice Thuja developed from nursery stock. In my opinion Thuja are tied with american larch for the best native material east of the Rockies.
It is sort of like Rocky Mountain Juniper. No one would go get an RMJ from a nursery and train it for bonsai. But if you know where to collect them, you could have some world class material. For this reason, the best RMJ come from the west coast, as the best Thuja are on the east coast.
The foliage of thuja is also kind of a pain, and requires years of scissor pruning and wiring before it behaves. But it is worth the work if you have the right material.
One of my favourite Thuja from the Bonsai Quebec website:
http://www.bonsaiquebec.com/logo.htm
Some more of my favs from members of the Toronto bonsai society
https://picasaweb.google.com/reigoe/TBSShowMay2010?authkey=Gv1sRgCIiY74Gt74PaxwE#slideshow/5474694942373348306
https://picasaweb.google.com/reigoe/TBSShowOct09?authkey=Gv1sRgCPuQ-PqkmMDegQE#5391792351019650514
https://picasaweb.google.com/reigoe/TBSShowOct09?authkey=Gv1sRgCPuQ-PqkmMDegQE#5391789677930658082
And if you want to see more outstanding Thuja, check out the Toronto Bosnai Society's website
http://torontobonsai.org/
Browse through Galleries --> Cedar and/or --> Shows to see some great Thuja bonsai
LSBonsai- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
WOW
I'm starting to get the bug too I must admit!
I was at Lowes today and just Like I always do I dutifully ignore the arborvitae, I know at the end of the season they sometimes have some of the big guys (the 7 footers) left over and they discount them. I may certainly have to give this a second thought after seeing all those pictures. Yeah they're everywhere up here.
I'm starting to get the bug too I must admit!
I was at Lowes today and just Like I always do I dutifully ignore the arborvitae, I know at the end of the season they sometimes have some of the big guys (the 7 footers) left over and they discount them. I may certainly have to give this a second thought after seeing all those pictures. Yeah they're everywhere up here.
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Re: Arborvitae bonsai
You guys should be awarded a ph.d. for this stuff. As a2khalid pointed out, I was always used to the garden center variety material which may have developed a substantial trunk over time, but no branch potential, yet I never was familiar with the material from the wilds. I did read on a website the substantial amount of time necessary to train the material, especially when it come to shaping through wiring and until now I was never sure as to the potential for deadwood. This would make a very interesting project in finding yamadori of what seems to be an unsung hero of bonsai material. I'll certainly have to check out the Nick Lenz book as well.
Just to give again my sincere thanks for all the knowledge and help.
Just to give again my sincere thanks for all the knowledge and help.
Orion- Member
Re: Arborvitae bonsai
Just making a plug for Bill Valavanis' 2 National Exhibition albums. There are several nice thuja in there. Suthin has a couple nice ones that come quickly to mind.
Neil
Neil
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