Trying to make a saikei.

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Trying to make a saikei.

Post  Cees on Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:00 pm

Today I tryed to make a saikei.
I find it very difficult to make a convincing landscape bud at least I had fun creating it.


More work left on the little trees bud that's for later.


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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  littleart-fx on Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:53 pm

Hi! Cees.

I'd say trees and rock need more balance in image!
good start and nice species to do this with!
Give it time!

grtz m

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  Leo de Leon on Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:14 am

I like it Cees
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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  RKatzin on Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:23 am

I like what you've done. Lots of work there I know. Size and proportion are key to convincing the eye that what is seen is real. I'm in the middle of a similar project. I watch this video over and over for inspiration.link

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  JimLewis on Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:23 pm

Nice job.

The only tree I find to be a bit awkward is the one perched on the top. Seems like that one should be a lot smaller, be windblown (you choose which direction, but not both) and have more deadwood.

What's the story on the stone? And what is the size of this?

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  eric sanders on Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:22 pm

just a question, why did you choose to use 3 different spiecies off juniper?

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  Cees on Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:06 pm

Thanks for the replays.

littleart-fx Kan you explane me what you mean with more balance.
I few lines will do.

Thanks Leo and RKatzin.

JimLewis.
How more I look how more I think you are right about to tree at the top.
I will just wait until I have more green close at the trunk and than I will make the branches shorter.
The rock is actually made from tree different rocks fix together.
The total hight is 70cm.

Eric sanders
The tree on the left is a juniperus chinensis
The one on the top is also a juniperus bud I don't know the species.
The one on the right site is a chamaecyparis pisifera boulevard.
I want to make the whole composition with juniperus chinensis bud I wasn't able to find small ones.

I know my creation isn't perfect and it will take a long time before I am satisfied so thanks for the input.

Greetings
Cees.

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  Cees on Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:17 pm

I remove to trees and replace them with to small Junipers.
The one at the top will be smaller in the future.
I am still thinking to adjust to small trees, one at the left side off the top a little on the backside and one at the bottom.
This is one project that seems to be very difficult to be satisfied off Neutral
Pardon my English.



Geetings
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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:28 pm

I like the last version best. When the trees are established you might want to do some wiring.

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  AdamG on Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:25 am

Looks good to me. Very Happy

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  RKatzin on Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:03 am

Hi Cees, I am feeling your sense of dissatisfaction with this project and I would like to make a bold suggestion if you can bear it. I may be way out in left field, but let me share with you what I'm seeing. The problem for me is the space between the trees and the rocks does not look natural. The trunks of the two trees left and right side need to be as close to the rock as possible. Note the curve in the trunk on the left. If you turn that tree around that curve would fit right into the curve of the rock. Then wire branches so they also hug the rock and appear to be other small trees rather than branches of the main tree. The right could be rotated 90 degrees to bring its trunk more in line with the rock and again, wire its branches to appear to be growing from the rock also. The top tree needs to be greatly reduced in size to fit into the scene. I'm picturing a natural setting, such as Castle Crags in northern California. When you are standing at the base looking at the formation the trees at the bottom appear to be the largest, getting gradually smaller as you look up higher, although they're almost all the same size. All trees seem to cling to the rocks like a fir pelt (no pun intended).This is the illusion you are trying to capture here and to do this you need to graduate the trees or the illusion of trees. I know it's a grand departure from the way you are going, but I think you might find it a more satisfying approach in the long run.

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Re: Trying to make a saikei.

Post  Cees on Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:43 am

Thanks you very much voor your suggestions Mr Katzin, now I see were I went wrong.
Off course this is not the right time to take the trees out of the rock but in the spring I will see what I can do.
I know most people don't put a rock in a pot but this was my what I want to create some kind of landscape.
Thanks again, you really open my eyes.

Greetings,
Cees.

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