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Post  Keri-WMS on Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:56 pm

These are four very large Varella - I got the impression they were ungrafted but I might find otherwise with digging. They do seem to be two "pairs" though, two are lighter green and two are bluer....might just be where they were kept at the place I got them from. Safe to say they are "OLD stock".

Initlal plan is to do loads of grafting and maybe air layers, be daft to throw that much material away if I don't have to, each branch is bigger/thicker than any pine I've had to date! Then root reduction in stages...............the main problem is they (even the pots alone...!) are too big to fit through my house at the moment so I have them stashed in someone else's garden!!!!!!!!!!  bounce

I'll try to get grafts going on "every" branch, even if I end up jinning them (most of them I will!) it's not bad practice. Cool

I left it too late this year really but no harm in trying. I might try to graft more dwarf forms on at a later date, see how it goes. There ARE some back buds but they are sparse, tiny, and still a fair way along the branches away from the trunk. I'll probably employ shoot extension / feeding then cutting to a few needles as well to hedge my bets and help the inner buds along.















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Post  Vance Wood on Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:26 pm

Me like.  Glad you were able to find trees like these.  I notice you have done some approach grafts.  Good luck with them and let us know how they turn out.

Does the Lable give you any kind of description other than Mugo Pine?  It is always nice to know a bit more specifically what you are dealing with.
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Post  Keri-WMS on Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:22 pm

They are apparently 'Varella', but the labels are waaaaay faded to nothing so it's word of mouth from the nursery people!

I should have been clearer, I grafted bits to one of them (the last two original photos). I used side grafts, like this one by Brent@Evergreen but with mainly bigger/older (but still very green/fleshy) scions...I might use some of this year's shoots too which I should be able to wrap/bag:

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Post  Vance Wood on Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:13 am

Keri-WMS wrote:Vance have you ever come across this?!!

My head hurts! http://files.conifertreasury.org/2016/CT%208%200Ny/CT%208%200%202016%20Pinus%20mugo.htm Shocked

Thanks for sharing this. I had not seen it. There is a lot of information and a lot of Mugo cultivars I did not know existed.
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Post  Keri-WMS on Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:29 pm

Vance Wood wrote:
Keri-WMS wrote:Vance have you ever come across this?!!

My head hurts! http://files.conifertreasury.org/2016/CT%208%200Ny/CT%208%200%202016%20Pinus%20mugo.htm Shocked

Thanks for sharing this.  I had not seen it.  There is a lot of information and a lot of Mugo cultivars I did not know existed.

No worries, looks like a lot/most of them have been kept by the person that found them and not released to the trade, hard to be sure. I've always wanted to find a witches broom and create my own cultivar (would have to be Scots Pine in the UK)!

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Post  Keri-WMS on Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:03 pm

Well those scions died - lack of wrap/bag probably....

I grafted more the other week now it's cooler and as I'd been thinning and wiring a far smaller type Mugo, a Pumilio. I just took all the prunings and stripped the tips down to create scions. They are TINY compared to the first attempt of Varrella-onto-Varrella! And this time (a) I wrapped them up in film to keep them damp and (b) the weather is cooling down rather than heating up. The understock are actually pushing a bit at the moment having been moved to a better location with more light and water, so that kind of takes the edge off me grafting at probably the wrong time of year....again....fingers crossed.




Here's the tree/clump I did the initial restyle on that gave me the scions. 4in tall ish, the big ones are more like 4ft tall ish!

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Post  Vance Wood on Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:32 pm

Keri-WMS wrote:Vance have you ever come across this?!!

My head hurts! http://files.conifertreasury.org/2016/CT%208%200Ny/CT%208%200%202016%20Pinus%20mugo.htm Shocked

I have come accross this list but I have never encountered most of these cultivars.
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Post  Richard S on Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:19 pm

Hi Keri-WMS

I'm not a "pine guy" so I don't know if this is a viable option but if the scions don't take would it be possible to bend existing branches around to approach graft onto the trunks like you could with most deciduous trees?

The photos suggest that may have quite a few thin potentially bendy branches.

Like I say I've no idea if you can do that with a Mugo pine but I do seem to remember an old post on here where someone approach grafted a whole small tree onto a large pine branch growing in the wild so they could cut the branch off and grow it on the new roots.

I think that was a Mugo but I might have "miss remembered" that Wink

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Post  Keri-WMS on Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:55 pm

Richard S wrote:Hi Keri-WMS

I'm not a "pine guy" so I don't know if this is a viable option but if the scions don't take would it be possible to bend existing branches around to approach graft onto the trunks like you could with most deciduous trees?

The photos suggest that may have quite a few thin potentially bendy branches.

Like I say I've no idea if you can do that with a Mugo pine but I do seem to remember an old post on here where someone approach grafted a whole small tree onto a large pine branch growing in the wild so they could cut the branch off and grow it on the new roots.

I think that was a Mugo but I might have "miss remembered" that Wink

Regards

Richard

Hi Richard - yup you're correct, a lot of the branches are thin enough to bend round, (ranging from roughly finger to broom handle ish).

If the grafts fail and I can't get them to back bud I would probably resort to that. I might be air layering a load of them off too so that might give me a plan...C? D? ...to graft them on that way.

Fingers crossed the scions make it this time though!

I potted the donor mini Mugo by the way, didn't have to disturb many roots so fingers crossed - it's in it's old compost plus a drainage layer for the moment.


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