White Cedar raft first styling

Hello everyone.  This is my tree before styling.



it has a lots of trunks in side but all no used because they are too young and thin.
I finally keep 5 more trunks the most bigger strong for raft styling and the rest of deadwood from weak unused trunks.
This is after styling.



I was thinking those deadwood concept from the tree standing died completely whole each trunks .



Thank you all for visiting my post.
Apisit

You have cut a lot off foliage, 80% off the foliage, that's too much for me, wait and see !!

It has a very literati sense to the stying to me. I think the other comment of wait and see is justified as many enthusiasts set an initially styled tree back because of excessive growth removal. Still, to start with. and end up with, what you were able to accomplish shows your ability to make something out of seemingly nothng. thanks for sharing....Hopefully by next summer you can update the post with a picture of a recovering prospect.

Sorry, but why are you nervous ? it's just an advice , you must not forget that bonsai is a tree, a tree is living , it needs a minimum off foliage to feed the roots , to cut 80% of the foliage on a conifer seems to me exessif.
We must first learn to understand the functioning of a tree, living, before aesthetics , a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

abcd wrote:Sorry, but why are you nervous ? it's just an advice , you must not forget that bonsai is a tree, a tree is living , it needs a minimum off foliage to feed the roots , to cut 80% of the foliage on a conifer seems to me exessif.
We must first learn to understand the functioning of a tree, living, before aesthetics , a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

Thank you for your advice. IMHO each foliage has the own direction to feed each own roots (not random feeding) we know the conifer earn energy frI'm the new shooter tips so if I have to cut more foliage
I would remove whole branch even it will be 80% of the rest,but the most important is I will keep all 20% foliage with full of (new shooter )to keep them feeding their own 20% roots , anyway this is not the first time I cut like this much, if you check my old post that most of my tree first styling are all conifer (they all still alive now)I cut them all the same like this much and people would said the same thing like you in the comment of my old post too
Apisit.

apisit chuldecha wrote:

abcd wrote:Sorry, but why are you nervous ? it's just an advice , you must not forget that bonsai is a tree, a tree is living , it needs a minimum off foliage to feed the roots , to cut 80% of the foliage on a conifer seems to me exessif.
We must first learn to understand the functioning of a tree, living, before aesthetics , a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

Thank you for your advice. IMHO each foliage has the own direction to feed each own roots (not random feeding) we know the conifer earn energy frI'm the new shooter tips so if I have to cut more foliage
I would remove whole branch even it will be 80% of the rest,but the most important is I will keep all 20% foliage with full of (new shooter )to keep them feeding their own 20% roots , anyway this is not the
first time I cut like this much, if you check my old post  that most of my tree first styling are all conifer (they all still alive now)I cut them all the same like this much and people would said the same thing like you in the comment of my old post too
Apisit.

Ps. I don't know about the word you said "bonsaika" meaning, for me bonsai is just the hobby I love and have fun, Happy when success and Sad when fail just very simple so maybe I am a bonsaika but I am still enjoy .

Bonsaika, I think that is the term the Frenchie calling guys from America that practice bonsai.  Maybe he is mistaken that you are from America.  There are still at least 60% of the foliage on the trunks that are being kept, and of course 0% on the other trunks. Are you saving the foliage on the bottom part as sacrifice to thicken up the base of the trunks?   Looking forward to see them sit on some rock slap sometime next year like you did your magic on other forest groups that I've seen.  Thanks for sharing.

van

Van wrote:Bonsaika, I think that is the term the Frenchie calling guys from America that practice bonsai.  Maybe he is mistaken that you are from America.  There are still at least 60% of the foliage on the trunks that are being kept, and of course 0% on the other trunks. Are you saving the foliage on the bottom part as sacrifice to thicken up the base of the trunks?   Looking forward to see them sit on some rock slap sometime next year like you did your magic on other forest groups that I've seen.  Thanks for sharing.

van

OHH I see , then I an not a bonsaika ,so I am from Hong Kong that I might be a bonsaikong , I was thinking of DIY rock for this but still long way to go for pass well this coming winter.
Thank you Van

I love it. Love your work in general Apisit.

apisit chuldecha wrote:
I might be a bonsaikong

I don't think he is willing to give you that title, the soundbite is so much strength, he may consider to keep it for French.  Bonsaika, sound like being drunk while practice bonsai; which most of us do here in America, and that's including me.

van

van, what makes you think the Frenchie would need a special word for american bonsai practitioners? that's just silly.
bonsaika is a term commonly used in france for bonsai practitionners anywhere in the world.
like judoka, karateka... bonsaika.

Apisit: you seem to practice intensive foliage réduction on a regular basis without any problems, so i wouldn't worry about it.
i suppose your climate alouds you to do things we, in colder climates, wouldn't be able to get away with.

thank you very much my friend for that clarification, the climate is important, you are right !!!

manumidam wrote:van, what makes you think the Frenchie would need a special word for american bonsai practitioners? that's just silly.
bonsaika is a term commonly used in france for bonsai practitionners anywhere in the world.
like judoka, karateka... bonsaika.

I did not know what was bonsaika either, thanks for letting us know.  Just try to lighten the weight of the statement, if that being silly, then it's ok by me.

abcd wrote:  a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

van

reminds me of an incident in my own home where i trying to practice my japanese, turned to my wife and said...kohee, dozo, to which my spouse said " who you calling a dozo"...we laugh about it now but at the time it was not appreciated until I explained I asked for coffee please....

MY major concern for this tree is the climate.  I've lived in Hong Kong and it simple seems to be much too HOT for any species of Thuja -- even T. orientalis, which I assume this one is.

The species may do OK in the ground, but their longevity in a bonsai pot would seem to me to b questionable.

Van wrote:

manumidam wrote:van, what makes you think the Frenchie would need a special word for american bonsai practitioners? that's just silly.
bonsaika is a term commonly used in france for bonsai practitionners anywhere in the world.
like judoka, karateka... bonsaika.

I did not know what was bonsaika either, thanks for letting us know.  Just try to lighten the weight of the statement, if that being silly, then it's ok by me.

abcd wrote:  a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

van

I was just clarifying a term you guys might come across from time to time as there are french members on this forum.

being heavy wasn't my intention.
i lived in UK but never in America. in UK "silly" is widely used and never appeared to me as being heavy.
but if it is so in America, then better understanding my statement "that's just silly" as "it just doesn't make sense".

manumidam wrote:
I was just clarifying a term you guys might come across from time to time as there are french members on this forum.

being heavy wasn't my intention.
i lived in UK but never in America. in UK "silly" is widely used and never appeared to me as being heavy.
but if it is so in America, then better understanding my statement "that's just silly" as "it just doesn't make sense".

No, nothing is heavy about your statement.

abcd wrote:Sorry, but why are you nervous ? it's just an advice , you must not forget that bonsai is a tree, a tree is living , it needs a minimum off foliage to feed the roots , to cut 80% of the foliage on a conifer seems to me exessif.
We must first learn to understand the functioning of a tree, living, before aesthetics , a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

This is what I found a little bit heavy and excessive for someone take time and effort to share their work with us on this forum.

van

Van wrote:

manumidam wrote:
I was just clarifying a term you guys might come across from time to time as there are french members on this forum.

being heavy wasn't my intention.
i lived in UK but never in America. in UK "silly" is widely used and never appeared to me as being heavy.
but if it is so in America, then better understanding my statement "that's just silly" as "it just doesn't make sense".

No, nothing is heavy about your statement.

abcd wrote:Sorry, but why are you nervous ? it's just an advice , you must not forget that bonsai is a tree, a tree is living , it needs a minimum off foliage to feed the roots , to cut 80% of the foliage on a conifer seems to me exessif.
We must first learn to understand the functioning of a tree, living, before aesthetics , a lot of bonsaika don't understand that .

This is what I found a little bit heavy and excessive for someone take time and effort to share their work with us on this forum.

van

thanks all you guys too.
whatever bonsaika is ? I am not take it serious for all those statement ,most important thing is my trees are still fine ,
Thank you Van appreciate that for your taking concern this matter .

well. this is for some sample of my trees , it may not a nice tree but enough to show you the matter about how much the foliage can be remove from conifer at first styling .
If you are really concern about how many percent of the foliage removing on conifer so. Do you think how many percent of the foliage have been gone?

maybe 80% to 90%  from the  picture 1 2 3 that was the first time styling and 4 5 6 still developing until now in the picture 6 all took haft year now.

How about this one, Do you think how many percent the foliage have been cut off?

maybe 70% to 80% ? this tree is 1 year old now since picture 1 first styling.

for this tree is not one shot remove but final now only left not even 10% still on .

IMHO the foliage to cut them off on conifer should not count on percent, the matter to concern about is ,where and how should keep? and where and how should cut?

if you are really concern about counting the rest of foliage on percent from 100% once before you start styling ,after you just remove old weak foliage from the rest and all those must go,
just this process you will see the tree left maybe 40% 50% already even you are not styling anything yet, but this is the right way to make sure that you will have only the right foliage with strong shooter left to be styling next, so if you have only the wrong old weak foliage left even they are look much 80% to styling the tree will die anyway
this is where and how should keep.
then when you start styling , you will have all strong foliage that wish to have much as you can . but what if I still have to cut for shaping reason?
now is where and how to cut,
the way to remove the strong foliage should remove it whole branch , because if not whole branch ,that mean some shooter have been remove and cause to the foliage left behind become weak ,
anyway just for update this post tree now, I just cut the lower branch off to show more raft trunk detail.


I wish you guys will enjoy .
Apisit.
Apisit

developing foliage updated .