Deshojo Maple by layering

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Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:30 pm

Hello everyone ,
I had a maple branch cut in the garden, I decided to make one layer. Twisted Evil



Layer 2009


... in October 2009 I cut the layer. Rolling Eyes



new roots..  ThumbsUp


clean the roots with water ...  thumbs up


..and a bit of healing on the cut trunk.  Dance


This picture is repotting in pot for cultivation.  ThumbsUp


Winter 2010


Spring 2011


Summer 2012


Spring 2013


Some details, trunk, nebari, leaves, Apex Wink




This is the structure of the plant. Very Happy


... and the end result in 2013. Smile



..This is the last photo, summer 2013. Very Happy



I haven't interesting photos in the year 2014, hopefully I'll update the post in 2015.  Rolling Eyes

Enjoy and thank you all.

Ciao Daniel

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  leatherback on Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:58 pm

Hi Daniel,

That looks really good. I tried my hand on a deshojo last year. By November the roots were still only a few mm long. Do you have any tricks you used for the layer?

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:05 am

Hi Leatherback, thanks for the question. Smile

I used pieces of sand mixed with MOSS and. ... so much water during the summer. ThumbsUp



Northern Italy forests are filled with MOSS and sand-filled rivers, there are not problems. lol! Laughing

Ciao Daniel Very Happy

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Bruce Winter on Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:17 am

Beautiful...thats the way to do it! I've never put anything on the cut end but it can't hurt.
Are we seeing Switzerland in the distance?

Thank you for this.

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:30 am

Hi Bruce, I put the dough on the cut healing. ThumbsUp





The Switzerland is very close. lol!

Regards Daniel Very Happy








The Switzerland is very close.

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  leatherback on Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:26 am

Thx. If I have to re-cut in spring, I will look at that mixture.

Do you have the plant in full sun when layering?

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:54 am

Yes, in full sun.  sunny

This is very important for proper development of roots. thumbs up

Thank for your question ThumbsUp

Ciao Daniel Very Happy

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  leatherback on Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:57 am

OK, that may have been part of the problem. (I bought the tree from a nursery, where it was kept shaded & in a sort of greenhouse: I did not dare put it in full sun, and it just stayed in the shade). Will see what happens come spring

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:21 pm

Well, I don't think problems. Bagpiper

good job! study

Regards Daniel Very Happy

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Richard S on Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:59 pm

Daniel

Great tree, I really like the twin trunk.

Nice progression so far as well. I'm sure it will continue to improve with age, ramification etc. Please do keep us updated on future progress.

You have some view from your garden too!!!!

One question though, are you sure it's a Deshojo?

Shouldn't the leaves and shoots be bright red?  

Regards

Richard

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:50 am

Hi Richard Very Happy

I think maple Deshojo, this is the mother plant that I have in the garden. Rolling Eyes



You think is another maple? Rolling Eyes

Please if you have news, tell me. study

Regards Daniel Very Happy


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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  marie1uk on Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:19 pm

The pic above is the tree in Autumn colour. Your acer isn't a deshojo - the fresh spring growth should be a very bright red, turning a shrimp red later on and then a pale green. The leaf in your photo looks a little like Acer p. 'Orange Dream'.

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Richard S on Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:51 pm

Well I'm certainly no expert so I might well be wrong but I have an Acer Palmatum that was sold to me as "Deshojo" so I was basing my opinion on that tree (actually the one in the photo above my name). Of course it could be mine which was wrongly labelled!

My tree has bright red shoots and brilliantly scarlet red leaves when young. These fade through the summer getting progressively darker and greener before turning orange or red again in Autumn.

It doesn't produce the kind of spring colour that you show in your photos and it's never as bright green in summer either. I do have an Acer Palmatum "Orange Dream" which looks a lot like yours in spring but not as bright green in summer and it never shows any pink at all. Having seen the "mother" plant I'm a bit at a loss Embarassed

There are so many varieties but if yours is Deshojo then I think mine must be something else because they appear very different.

Any real Acer experts out there with an opinion?

Cheers

Richard

PS it's a great tree what ever it is (yours I mean, mine is just OK).

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Richard S on Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:54 pm

Marie1uk just stole my thunder there! Very Happy

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  marie1uk on Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:02 pm

^^^ Great minds ^^^^ Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  KennedyMarx on Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:45 pm

Very nice work. I think it will look even better with more fine ramification. The trunk is darkening up quickly. I have wondered how long it takes for a maples green trunk to start turning brown with bark.

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  leatherback on Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:10 am

I think the problem with Deshojo is that many of them are not grown from cutting or through grafting. Rather, they are grown by some from seed. This has resulted in variations of the 'deshojo' strain in Europe, most of which are not really deshojo. I have spent a long time looking for a decent deshojo. (Which is the one I mentioned earlier).

A true deshojo in spring takes your breath away when the buds break, so vibrant is the scarlet that comes out. unlike pretty much any coloring I have ever seen on plant leaves.



http://bonsai4u.com/Assets/Bonsai4u_Gallery/images/Acer%20Palmatum%20%27Deshojo%27.jpg

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:46 pm

Thank you for your interest in my tree. Very Happy

Thanks Richard, Marx, Leather and Marie. ThumbsUp

Now I begin to understand need something. Rolling Eyes

These pictures are from the year 2014 Embarassed




This picture is another Maple I have in my collection, this is a DESHOJO, right? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil



In the spring, leaves a very strong red. cherry Very Happy

Thanks again everyone. cheers

Regards Daniel

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Richard S on Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:21 pm

That certainly looks more like Deshojo to me.









Your gonna tell us it's a layer from the same tree now aren't you!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:02 pm




HA HA HA , no not a layering from the same tree Evil or Very Mad , is a small gift to a friend of mine. jocolor lol!

Thank , ThumbsUp

by by Daniel Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Leo Schordje on Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:56 pm

Daniel, I want to thank you for a clear pictorial of the air layer process. The new tree will be very nice in time. The other 'Deshojo' that was not the layered one is quite nice also.

About names. It is difficult to decipher which cultivar you are looking at, especially from pictures. A maple's leaves change color constantly through the season, and the color will vary from year to year, and location to location. Differences in amounts of sun and temperatures will dramatically affect color. So too will the maturity of the tree. Out of necessity, we have to rely on the name provided by the vendor, and hope the vendor keeps the names correct.

Some confusion comes from the fact that there are several cultivars with nearly identical names. Deshojo, Shin Deshojo, Shishio Improved, and Shishio all are fairly similar in summer, and the names are easily confused one from the other. Attached is an image of Shin Deshojo from early summer, it does look like your leaf. Is this image correctly labelled? I would guess it is but I am not certain. The image is from a respected USA vendor, and shows even the best vendors may have trouble keeping provenance of cultivars accurate.

I would keep collecting foliage images from early spring, late spring, middle of summer, early autumn and late autumn for several years, to capture the range of colors. In time, you or a maple expert more experienced than I, could determine which cultivar you have. I don''t have the knowledge or the reference books myself.

But in bonsai, it is the tree itself we enjoy, the name of the cultivar is not important. You have some nice trees - thanks for sharing.


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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:59 am

Thanks Leo for your valuable information. study

The mother plant maple in my garden I bought 25 years ago, can not remember the name on the tag (maybe it was written). Evil or Very Mad

In Italy it is called simply maple palmate, I thought variety Deshojo but this is not important. Rolling Eyes

I understand it is very difficult to know the variety, there are many variable components that make different color of the leaves, city, sun, rain, high mountains or plains, etc., etc. : Twisted Evil

I will update this post in spring with new leaves, I hope it is of interest to all. Rolling Eyes

Thank you all for your questions and answers were really helpful. study

Good bonsai to all ThumbsUp

Ciao Daniel Very Happy

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  Richard S on Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:54 pm

Yep, definitely keep us updated!

Like Leo said, in Bonsai it's the overall tree that matters not the specific variety and you definitely have a nice tree there.

Cheers

Richard

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Re: Deshojo Maple by layering

Post  -Daniel- on Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:50 pm

Thanks Richard, I'll make updates to this Maple. Wink

I wish you a good bonsai Cool

Ciao Daniel Laughing

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