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Pyracantha

Post  fbizuneh on Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:53 pm

Just got this in the post. Potted in a more permanent home and cleaned the bush into the beginning of something similar to this beauty -



Any suggestions moving forward?
How should I promote flowering and fruiting?











Virtuals appreciated

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Post  JimLewis on Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:19 pm

I'm assuming you realize that the first tree you pictured is an azalea and not a Pyracantha. And that their growth habits are considerably different.

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Post  fbizuneh on Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:44 pm

Yes, of course. I was speaking more of approaching the general design elements of lower branch balance by opposing nebari. Also the distinct separation between upper canopy and lower branch pads.

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Pyracantha New Pot

Post  fbizuneh on Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:53 pm

taken 11/12/14





Still no signs of budding flowers? Advice?

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Post  JimLewis on Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:39 pm

You need to cut the entire top WAY back -- to two or three leaves per branch, then grow it out, and repeat. Several times. Otherwise a Pyracantha just grows skinny, leggy branches.

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Post  kcpoole on Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:45 pm

JimLewis wrote:You need to cut the entire top WAY back -- to two or three leaves per branch, then grow it out, and repeat.  Several times.  Otherwise a Pyracantha just grows skinny, leggy branches.  

And wire them too.
The first branch on the left needs to be wired down. It appears to me as just an extension of the trunk line and looks awkward.
It looks like the back branch has shoots going upwards too. They need to be wired down as well.

the 3rd section of trunk, (bending to the right) is too long and needs to be reduces to the first branch on the left of it.

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Re: Pyracantha

Post  Khaimraj Seepersad on Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:34 pm

Wow,
Ken from Ausbonsai.
Didn't know you were here.
Laters.
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Post  kcpoole on Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:30 pm

Khaimraj Seepersad wrote:Wow,
Ken from Ausbonsai.
Didn't know you were here.
Laters.
Khaimraj
Yes I am here ( and a few others too :-))
I monitor this forum and the trees for inspiration every day, and occasionally post when I feel I can add value.
I spend most of my time on Ausbonsai as that is more locally focussed for me.

ps Sorry to take the thread off topic Fasil.
to atone for that, here is my Pyracantha that was in the recent Ausbonsai Shohin Comp. It has a few years to go still but hope fully in the next year or so shoud have a nice canopy


Ken


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cut back

Post  fbizuneh on Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:06 pm

taken (1/12/15)


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Post  Precarious on Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:48 pm

The initial branch that comes off to the right is great. The second branch, off to the left, needs to bend down. If I can remember correctly my brief disagreement with a pyrancantha, the branches quickly become brittle, so if it can't be wired I think it needs to be cut back dramatically so new growth can grow at a downward angle(perhaps that is how the lowest branch was bent down). After that, the trunk then curves sharply back across the tree in is a long, mostly straight, unsightly bar(no taper). I think I would ponder another dramatic cutback and regrow there. Perhaps it would then be seen what to do with the back branch.

Or... you could plant it in the ground to thicken the trunk and review a new start in a few years. The model tree you showed in the beginning has a thicker trunk with well developed nebari, and that will come much quicker grown in the ground.

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Post  JimLewis on Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:06 pm

Precarious wrote:The initial branch that comes off to the right is great.  The second branch, off to the left, needs to bend down.  If I can remember correctly my brief disagreement with a Pyrancantha, the branches quickly become brittle, so if it can't be wired . . .

It (and the ones just above) it CAN be wired, and yes they can be brittle. However, you don't need to reach the final bend in one go; make the bend over the course of an entire growing season. Try not to make the bends evenly bowed; the bends should have a sharp turn in them, but again not all in one attempt. And, you can take some heart from the fact that Pyracantha branches that snap, but stay in one piece (as most do) can, with care, mend with the sharp break maintained. Lots of wound paste and wire left on longer than normal.

Or... you could plant it in the ground to thicken the trunk and review a new start in a few years.  The model tree you showed in the beginning has a thicker trunk with well developed nebari, and that will come much quicker grown in the ground.

While I'm a bit flattered that you chose my azalea as a model for this tree, I think it will have to be just a general model. Satsuki and Pyracantha just grow too differently. I doubt you can ever get the same degree of rootage out of your little tree.

You have a nice start toward a nice little Pyracantha bonsai.

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Re: Pyracantha

Post  fbizuneh on Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:17 pm

Major cut back, and pulled a few of the outer branches down. Also 1 lonely fruit appeared on the lower pad. See if you can spot it.

taken (07/15/15)


before cut back


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Re: Pyracantha

Post  fbizuneh on Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:10 pm

Pulled the branches down a bit more. Any advice on how to encourage more fruiting?


(taken 7/27)

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Pyracantha

Post  BrendanR on Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:14 am

Fruiting comes only after flowers have died and the tree sets seed. This process is demanding on the tree and you are better off removing any flowers before they open (leave 1 or 2 if you must for show).

The tree will then use the energy otherwise wasted on making seeds/fruit to make leaves - backbudding.

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Post  kevin stoeveken on Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:34 pm

any chance you are considering removing one of the 2 parallel branches ?

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Re: Pyracantha

Post  fbizuneh on Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:56 pm

New pot (8x6x2 oval), new shape,

taken (8/16/15)

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Re: Pyracantha

Post  Precarious on Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:01 pm

Hard to tell from this angle, but it looks like a trifurcation at the second branching. Will this species handle that well, or will there be an unsightly swelling over time? If the latter, then I would remove the back branch.

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Re: Pyracantha

Post  fbizuneh on Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:22 pm

just a tricky angle, perhaps I should adjust the front of bit to the left?


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Re: Pyracantha

Post  Precarious on Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:02 pm

For evaluation that helps, but for display I don't see one angle better than another. I like Jim's advice to cut back-grow out-cut back-grow out. This will provide more branching and angles.

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Re: Pyracantha

Post  fbizuneh on Mon Sep 21, 2015 5:05 pm

taken 9/20/15 (pot = 11.25" x 7.25" x 1"H)

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Post  fbizuneh on Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:29 pm

Reduced some of the root ball to get the tree sitting lower (more naturally in this shallow pot.

taken (10/29/15)

Pot Size: 11.25" x 7.25" x 1"H


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Post  fbizuneh on Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:48 am

repotted 5/29/16

Found a new shape -


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