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Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:17 am

hello!
this time i 'd like to use this post to work a little bit with all of you
here is a buxus yamadori picked up in february....80-90 cm long..for the moment
it s not the most powerfull i took this year ....
it s well alive....and growing slowly...
but i surely can t work it before one two or three years ...depends of the grow
anyway...i love it...i find it almost done by nature...well.. yes..almost...
i kept a lot of branches...to be sure to get the best solutions to make this tree as it deserve
so ...the only works i have to this automn...i think
are...first..picked up all the flowers of the tree...it s an inhibitor of grow
and second...make a project of styling....
and this is the part i d like to make with you
now ..the pictures










barf ...the last one is really bad in quality...sorry
thanks to help me and teatch me the best way to work on it

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Post  landerloos on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:38 am

mmmm my opinion: I dont think the trunk is powerfull enough to make a good kaskade.
Did you think of turning it in to a raft???

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Peter

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Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:50 am

a raft? why not...
it s coul d be a good idea...is it possible for you to make me a drawing or a virt?...please? Smile
i will make one of the idea i had in mind...

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Post  landerloos on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:06 pm

cram wrote:a raft? why not...
it s coul d be a good idea...is it possible for you to make me a drawing or a virt?...please? Smile
i will make one of the idea i had in mind...

I'm no good at drawing and virtuals, I look at a tree and see it in front of me as I think it could become.
I will try though a soon as I have time to do it.

Peter

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Post  Russell Coker on Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:39 pm

landerloos wrote:I dont think the trunk is powerfull enough to make a good kaskade.
Did you think of turning it in to a raft???

What? I don't understand either of these statements. A "good" cascade has to have a powerful trunk? Personally, I think you would lose all of the natural beauty and rhythem of this tree by turning it into a raft. Seems like you have a great start for a very natural exposed root/windswept/cascade. Just my thoughts.

I'm really glad to see more boxwoods turning up on this forum. They seem to be readily available and versatile material. Here's my boxwood on display at BCI New Orleans back in June.

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Post  JimLewis on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:32 pm

Ahh. That looks like a Ben Oki-styled boxwood??????

As for the tree undr discussion, I certainly think a cascade could work, but it shouldn't be a traditional cascade.

If you like a certain amount of whimsy in bonsai, I see an East Indian Dancer in the center of the tree. You could design something that depicts her (?) in motion with those thin, wavy branches going off to the left looking like the wind whipping past her.

Or not. jocolor


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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  frk_leal on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:34 pm

Hello Cram.
Indeed it's a pretty good material.
In oposition to landerloos, i really think that it could make a good semi-cascade. if you take this side as front:

I've tried to do some sketching but it looked terrible, when I get it better i'll show it here.

Wait fot ir to get better, and then try some prunning to make it back bud closer to the trunk.

ps. sorry for my poor english, i've need to practice some more, it's a littel bit rusty.

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Post  Russell Coker on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:49 pm

JimLewis wrote:Ahh. That looks like a Ben Oki-styled boxwood??????


Nope, totally me. Haven't worked with others on my trees since the mid '80's when Ben, John Naka and George Yamaguchi helped me get to Japan to study. Ben is an old friend, and I'll take the compliment!

BTW, the entire lower portion died this summer. One drawback of boxwoods is that they have a mind of their own. It was really nice while it lasted, oh well.

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Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:19 pm

to be honnest ...i prefere also the cascade solution
but i am interrested by every possibilities i didn t saw
well
like all of you i ear the wind blowing in this tree
so ..i see many possibilities of windy cascades by cutting or not branches
the more i cut ...the more it will make windy...but it is maybe not the best way
the first i show you is the most visible maybe
i will make others drawings of the others directions possibles
for the pot i try differents ones too

no matter the drawings are good or not...the essential is to get the general idea of each others
and for the poor english...we re two...i just can write (almost)normal sentences because i got a french english dictionary beside of me Very Happy


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Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:37 pm

same way ..keeping almost all the branchs but other side...i find it works not so bad

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Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:07 pm

and by cutting more branches and projecting the tree in the wind direction

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idear

Post  vev on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:11 pm

more crazy alien


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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:13 pm

crazy crazy...needs to get inspiration...
show me what you can do...dude Wink

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first impression

Post  bhellige47 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:57 pm



The branch next up from the bottom branch could be pulled up to fill the negative space, and the apex at the top filled out. The removed branches could be made into deadwood.

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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  cram on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:05 pm

it could be a possibility...
only one detail bother me...maybe it makes a little less windy...
in fact it is also a solution i could do after the others
it s never so difficult to cut a branch Very Happy

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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  dorothy7774 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:19 pm

cram,

excellent ideas! I like the last one the most.

-dorothy


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Post  Guest on Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:43 pm

Your first drawing is the one for me. Movement everywhere. Very dynamic

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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  Russell Coker on Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:36 pm

First one for me too. Hate the deep pot, looks really unstable.

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Post  corticosa on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:57 pm

first one for me too more advantageous.

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Post  Jim Doiron on Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:36 am

I do like the suggestions made so far but I couldn't help but play around with the raft idea. I especially thought the side with that hard bend would tell the story well. The virtual is a little rough, the more I played the more thing started to dissolve but I think it gets the basic idea across. The pot shape/color is not a suggestion as much as a needed base to assist in the virtual.




Great material, it was fun to play around with.

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Post  Rob Kempinski on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:22 am

Russell Coker wrote:
JimLewis wrote:Ahh. That looks like a Ben Oki-styled boxwood??????
BTW, the entire lower portion died this summer. One drawback of boxwoods is that they have a mind of their own. It was really nice while it lasted, oh well.


That stinks, but its happened to all of us. Can the material be salvaged?

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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  cram on Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:10 pm

thank you for all your comments
it will help me a lot
it s true thats the raft possibility is coherent
but estheticly ...i really prefer the cascade solution
one more reason for me is that buxus in raft shapes are really commons in my mountains
cascades a really less courant...i ve got three or for...for the moment...

russel... is it the pot that makes you prefer the first solution or the styling also?


any way the first solution will be the easier to make
and after i can make it go into other possibilities also veri easely
...i will surely start with this one
now i wait for some new healthy shoots
buxus is the ideal material to learn how to collect

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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  Russell Coker on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Hi Cram.

I like both tree designs.

But, *in my opinion*, the problem with the third design is the pot. It is actually very similar to the first, with exception to the placement of the head - the highest mass of foliage. I like the tree design and pot selection of the first. To me, the pot becomes even more critical for the third. When the head is moved to the left it changes the visual weight of the tree. A wider, more shallow pot counters that and would create the balance and stability the drawing lacks. For me tall cascade pots are better suited to more vertical cascades, and a tree like your design needs width for balance.

Rob, I haven't thrown it away yet, but it makes me sick to look at it. I may do something with it later.

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Re: buxus yamadori...han kengai

Post  mehrdad chavosh on Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:45 am

Cram ,
I love your buxus yamadori , a really nice material , I think a semi cascade will fit it the best , something like your third drawing with less lower portion ,by my opinion you should remove all the unwanted branches as soon as you decided the final style(keep as much natural style as you can ) & let it rest & back bod for at least a year before a serious styling ,beside thinking about rock planting instead of any kind of pot, good luck Very Happy

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Post  cram on Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:31 pm

thank you mehrdad!
i am not decided already of the final design
but i agree with the fact to let it grow for 1 or 2 years before the first styling
i need the tree to be in full health...and it is not the case for the moment
anyway it s little bit normal...i collect it last february ...
i will show it back to you as soon as it is healthy
j just picked up the flowers...it took me at least as much time as collecting the tree
i will take pictures of another one in my garden
with hope the post will be as much helfull as this one for me

sunny

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