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Post  Jim Doiron on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:04 pm

Hello everyone, hope everyone on this side of the pond is enjoying the Thanksgiving weekend. I wanted to ask if anyone has seen a book on bonsai pottery specifically. My wife has shown an interest in making them more regularly and asked me to find her some references for proportions/glazes/styles etc. I've been to various websites with her and shown her a number of images in the books I have but thought I would check with the many well informed people here. Thanks

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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  BigDave on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:16 pm

Wow Jim, good for you !

Doing ceramics is fun and anyone can do it. There are so many ways to acomplish it as well.

For inspiration ...
http://bonsai.ocnk.net/product/18
http://bonsai.ocnk.net/product/571
http://bonsai.ocnk.net/product/22
http://bonsai.ocnk.net/product/21

My talented Lady friends:
Making bonsai pots three different ways,

http://youtu.be/1Sizx3oLqpw
http://youtu.be/tbBDcQ96h2w
http://youtu.be/LvFfPk7AA04

Encourage her to just do and not get discouraged !

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:17 pm

I don't know of a book that does what you want. Either instructions for making or just photos. Now there are photos on line and in other bonsai books.

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Post  BigDave on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:38 pm

Yes Mr. Rhodes

When it come to a handbook of making bonsai pottery..step by step, that is quite a limited audience and has yet to be written.

the best tutorial is to look at pots pots pots and more pots. good ones bad ones ones that red ones blue ones.

Then copy what you see, dont try to reinvent

"Good Artists Borrow, Great Artists Steal"

-picasso
ps for colors and matching pot to tree...etc check out ... http://youtu.be/IihEQ6Aa2tA

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Post  Jim Doiron on Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:44 pm

Wow, thanks for the fast response. Dave, thanks for those references those are great. I'll have to get some for holiday gifts. She definitely has the ability, here is her ceramics page on her website:
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If anything I am trying to get her to tone down her artistic inclinations and go with more subtle glazes and decorations. Then once she is familiar with the basic proportions/shapes/sizes I let her loose which I think will have some amazing results.
The color reference is also great, I was trying to explain when color was good and why most are subtle, the best I could come up with is, "imagine framing a piece of art. Most art could't handle a neon blue frame"
Billy, I have been on a few websites/emailed a few to her and saved images of pots I like but once she gets clay on her hands in the studio it's hard for her to look those up, with a book she can can have it open and ready...in theory. Thanks again.

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Post  Jim Doiron on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:52 am

So she went to the studio tonight and trimmed a few that I threw last weekend. They are both still green and I will get more shots after they are fired but I'm pretty happy with how I think they will come out. The first one is a nanban style pot with a black stain and maybe a thin clear glaze wiped on for the glaze firing. The second is a standard footed pot (although the foot is solid all around). Fingers crossed.


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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  Ryan B on Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:06 am

Hello Jim,
I agree with Billy, there are no books specifically on bonsai pottery making, but the techniques for building bonsai pots are much the same as any other type of pottery...but with holes. Be it slab, single block carved, wheel thrown, or plaster mold pressed, the techniques are the same as those in any pottery book.
As to aesthetics, the books cited earlier from Yoshoen, published by Kinbon, are great, but don't look to older pots presented in those books for proportions! Desired proportions in Bonsai pottery has changed a lot in the last 40 years, and is totally unlike what Chinese kilns did a hundred years ago. Even in Japan their are no books like what you seek. Kilns rabidly protect trade secrets and glaze recipes, and the best studied Chinese antique bonsai pots and Japanese masterworks for years, and did a lengthy apprenticeship, before becoming good.
My favorite pots are either hand pressed from a single block and turned("terebineri"), and includes the works of Tofukuji and Ueda Naokata, and pieces that are single block carved, you'll see a great photo log of this process here:
http://japanesebonsaipots.net/2012/06/11/kamiya-ryuen-pots-and-process/
Single block carved pots are much stronger than slab or coil constructed pots, less likely to chip, crack, and break. Plus, it allows the artist a bit more freedom with easily inset windows, bottom inset ledges, and lips are easily constructed. Great artists of this style include Ryuen, Tofukuji, Fujikake Yuzan, Heian Kouzan, and Tsukinowa Yusen.
You'll also see some pretty good pots on other pages on my site. The prefired pieces look good, don't forget to drop us a pic when they're done!
Ryan
http://japanesebonsaipots.net/

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Post  Billy M. Rhodes on Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:14 pm

Looking at your pot with the foot all the way around, I ask "why are cuts made in the foot of a round pot like that. I think the base of a pot needs air, if you have an enclosed base like that it will be home all sorts of horrible creatures.
Also the cuts in the foot area help orient the pot to the front of the tree. I try to have my front in the area between two cuts.

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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  Jim Doiron on Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:53 pm

I think you are right billy. When she came home and showed me the picture my first thought was that it would slow the water down coming out of the pot but then most trees are on open slat tables, maybe a water-loving tree. I think the clay on this one is too dry to trim anymore but we might try next time we get to the studio. Thanks for the reply, Jim

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Post  BigDave on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:45 pm

Jim Doiron wrote:I think you are right billy. When she came home and showed me the picture my first thought was that it would slow the water down coming out of the pot but then most trees are on open slat tables, maybe a water-loving tree. I think the clay on this one is too dry to trim anymore but we might try next time we get to the studio. Thanks for the reply, Jim

Awesome first pots. You said she trimmed what your threw...nice job JD.

I love to throw but not trim. Its like taking the wire off a big black pine you wired... a chore for me ! Luckily I have students/bonsai buddies

Have you explored throwing and altering, into oval shapes. Much more useful as a bonsai standard shape.

Even squaring a round pot with 4 fingers wiping on the inside... turns on the bonsai people Wink

You guys are doing great,

big D

ps. hold the clear glaze on the nanban, you will be happier with the finished ware

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Post  BigDave on Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:50 pm

Jim Doiron wrote: . I'll have to get some for holiday gifts. She definitely has the ability, here is her ceramics page on her website:
Here
gifts eh?

I love these sites, any potter would love something to add to their toolbox ...It gives inspiration

http://www.chineseclayart.com/ChineseClayArt/store.asp

http://www.4clay.com./index.html

I'm off to look at your wife's website... cyclops

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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  Jim Doiron on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:36 am

Awesome first pots. You said she trimmed what your threw...nice job JD.
Thanks. I have thrown off and on over the years mostly just along side my wife to keep her company. I have to admit I was pretty proud of how well these came out since it hade been more than 4 years since I had done it. Of course being able to then pass them off to her to trim made it a little easier. Smile
thanks for the links, she definitely will be interested in some of those tools

ps. hold the clear glaze on the nanban, you will be happier with the finished ware
I think you are right. The black glaze they had, just wiped on thinly into the cracks gave a subtle satin oil sheen at the edges and I think that would be great with these rough pots. I'll take some finish shots when they come out. Thanks again.
Jim

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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  BigDave on Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:23 pm

Way cool Jim !

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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  Jim Doiron on Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:26 am

Here are a few more. Excited to get some of them glazed but some will be left raw. I'll post some finished images when they are finished.



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Post  BigDave on Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:44 am

Lookin good Jimmer

On the bottom photo ,left front pot, is that a but of slip that you carved through

drums look good

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Post  Jim Doiron on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:39 am

Yeah, my wife did that. It's slip that she shaped by carving slightly into the pot. I really like it, pretty excited to see the finished results on it. Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Bonsai Pottery books

Post  BigDave on Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:58 pm

JD,
Any news from the kiln...did those pots get fired, did she get her books

just wondering,

-Big D

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Post  Jim Doiron on Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:53 am

Thanks for reviving this post Dave. We did fire the pots and then decided we were moving so they went into a box for the move. I will get them out and take some shots. She didn't get any books yet but still wants to after the move when we have her clay set up out. Thanks again, I 'll get some shots.

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Post  Jim Doiron on Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:50 am

Ok so here they are from the storage box. They turned out ok I think. the only problem, which my wife informed me of after they were fired, is that this is a low fire terre cotte so they will have to be tropical pots but that's ok, it was good to have a first practice run. I have few larger ones in the works that are a cone 6 right now. Sorry about the bad photos but thanks again for the interest.




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