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Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:28 pm

Hi Pady,
Is that last Agoho a yamadori? What mix do you use to grow your Agoho?

Thanks for sharing.
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Post  Ka Pabling on Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:20 am

Hi Cosmos

Yes it is yamadori, I think more than 95% of our trees here are yamadori. I use river sand for all species that are collected from the coast like bantigue, agoho, bantulinao etc., growing in rocks and sand is their natural habitat.
You can only get trees with this kind of trunks if they are collected fron the coast.
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Post  cosmos on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:53 pm

Hi padychitan
Thanks for your reply. I tried to collect two yamadori but failed. I left the soil from the site I picked up the tree since I have read on Bonsai Focus and other books, that the roots of casuarina has a symbiotic relationship with a fungus and also have minute root nodules with bacteria that change atmospheric nitrogen into usuable nitrates. I thought that making a new mix for the yamadori would upset such associations and what you are telling me i.e. using river sand alone, would not be conducive to craeting such mutalisms. Can you pl elaborate on how you carry out your yamadori on such trees.

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Post  Ka Pabling on Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:50 pm

Hi Cosmos

I think that what you are telling about a "symbiotic relationship with a fungus and minute root nodules with bacteria etc." does not only apply to casuarinas but to all yamadori. It is a good practice to bring a portion of the soil where you dig the yamadori and mix it to your potting medium so the useful bacteria present in that soil could multiply in the new medium.The use of humic acid can help this usefull bacteria multiply.

I use volcanic cynder and course river sand as medium for my casuarinas for good draining. Casuarinas hate to be waterlogged.It has been our experience to leave some branchlets of collected casuarinas for better survival. Those that are totaly defoliated usualy dont suirvive.

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Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:20 pm

Hi padychitan
Thanks for the information you shared. Indeed, it will become very useful when I attempt another yamadori. All my yamadori had no branches and perhaps also the mix I used was not that optimal.

While googling around on casuarinas I found a photo (that I am trying to change into a type that can be posted; but dont know how as yet) of a casuarina tree to which some casuarina saplings have been 'welded'. It appears that the technique is similar to that used to fatten ficus, whereby several ficus saplings are nailed and wrapped around a more mature ficus until these saplings fuse and weld wth the mother plant. Do you have any experience with such a technique on casuarinas?

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Post  cosmos on Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:30 pm

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Post  Ka Pabling on Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:46 pm

This technique of fusing is a very comon to ficus, I often do this to microcarpa, in just one year it will fuse perfectly well but I have not tried it with casuarina. In the pic you posted It seems it works well! Its easier to get casuarina saplings from nurseries.

What I do with microcarpa is to bind together about four sa[lings, one each for the first branch back branch second branch and for the crown then program it this early, in one year I will have a semi finished bonsai. I will try this with casuarina. Thanks for the tip.

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Post  allan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:34 pm

hi Mang Pabling ! i saw ur bonsai in this forum and they all great, is been quit a while since our group see each other( KPBSI) ,i hope one of dis day BOY and I will visit ur place .i also had new yamadori casuarina ,one of dis ill post d pictures.



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Post  allan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:46 pm

my yamadori casuarina semi cascadeCasuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang) - Page 3 DSC00037

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Post  allan on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:50 pm

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Post  Ka Pabling on Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:58 pm

Hi Allan

Nice to hear from you please do come when you have time.
Where did you get this agoho? Is it from Bicol?
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Post  cosmos on Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:31 pm

Hi Allan,
Very promising yamadori of Casaurina. I see that you have collected them without any 'leaves'. According to padychitan, it is better to leave some branchlets when collecting casuarinas for better survival; those that are totaly defoliated usualy dont suirvive. What is your experience in this regard.

Thanks for sharing
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Post  allan on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:46 pm

hi Mang Pabling ,

Yes they all come from Bicol ,actually they are 5 in all ,i post the other pictures , the first two ive planted are already in steady condition

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Post  allan on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:57 pm

cosmos wrote:Hi Allan,
Very promising yamadori of Casaurina. I see that you have collected them without any 'leaves'. According to padychitan, it is better to leave some branchlets when collecting casuarinas for better survival; those that are totaly defoliated usualy dont suirvive. What is your experience in this regard.

Thanks for sharing
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hi cosmos ,

one of the experience ive notice with yamadori casuarina , the trees collected from d wild had a very thick dead bark , underneath this bark you will notice pest n insect living ,so for better survival of trees try to remove all those dead bark ,for me i used wire brush to clean d trunk ,and even used scraper to carefully remove those bark, then definitely plant ur tress in well drain medium for me i used combined compost n volcanic cinder

i hope this tip help

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Post  allan on Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:11 pm

other casuarina planted it last more than 1 month agoCasuarina Equisetifolia (Cemara Udang or Mu Ma Huang) - Page 3 DSC00008

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Post  Ka Pabling on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:07 pm

Nice tree Allan,I presume the "leaves" are already there when you planted this agoho if you have planted it just a month ago.

For casuarinas Bicol is a good source.

Old barks makes casuarinas more elegant so i suggest you dont remove it, if its the insects you worry about, a little insecticide can do the job for you.

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Post  cosmos on Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:49 pm

Hi Alan,
Congratulations for yet another fantastic yamadori. What are the percentages of compost to volcanic cinder that you use for your yamadori? Do you cover them in a transparent plastic bag until new growth is evident?
Thanks for sharing
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Post  allan on Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:13 pm

hi ! cosmos

sorry for the late reply , right now all the remaining casuarina ive planted ,ive covered them with transparent plasticbag , samething with all my other variety yamadori bonsai , ,about the medium i used ,the bottom part i put the bigger sizes volcanic cinder for better drain ,then the compost wherein the trees will be sitted ,then again portion of compost up to almost tip of the pot then lastly on top is the smaller sizes volcanic cinder to prevent the compost to be wash out

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Post  cosmos on Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:17 pm

Hi Alan,
Thanks for sharing your experinece with casuarina. I really like this species. I see that both your yamadori have deadwood. In one the deadwood is black while in the other it is greyish. Can you explain why? And do you treat the deadwood regularly?

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Post  allan on Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:58 am

the natural color of the driftwood of the casuarina is like grayish black ,for treating the wood i used Waterproofing (water Base) and i apply 2 coatings , the outcome is like a natural color of the driftwood ,and it will take a couple of months before it fades, try not to apply many coatings it will became a little bit shiny

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Post  BonsaiAndino on Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:51 am

I like your Casuarina, good job. Greetings from Ecuador.

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Post  cosmos on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:06 pm

Hi Alan,
it has been quite a long time since we talked about casuarina. Did your yamadori root? Can you pl share with us any picture to show their progression.

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Post  craigw on Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:04 pm

What a stunning tree. It makes me laugh these trees are an Australian native from the warm tropics in the north, but they are rarely if ever seen as bonsai in this country. I live in the cooler southern part of the continent and grow torulosa and litoralis but unfortunately its too cold for this species. It would be great if you could post some pics of these trees on the AUSBONSAI forum to encourage the queenslanders to cultivate this species.
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Post  Peter Woosley on Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:34 am

craigw wrote:What a stunning tree. It makes me laugh these trees are an Australian native from the warm tropics in the north, but they are rarely if ever seen as bonsai in this country. I live in the cooler southern part of the continent and grow torulosa and litoralis but unfortunately its too cold for this species. It would be great if you could post some pics of these trees on the AUSBONSAI forum to encourage the queenslanders to cultivate this species.
With thanks from Craig


Ahh but we are craig! Havent had much success as yet but i feel confident that it isn't far away.......


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Post  craigw on Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:19 am

Hi Peter, I am very very happy to see that, looks like you have some great collected material there. I believe this should be one of our principal species.
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